Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

Geez are you really surprised? Heaven Forbid if unionized federal government employees should do anything to make themselves look bad.

Especially considering how they somehow can't figure out a way to stop a human being ON FOOT from sneaking across a defined boundary when we have orbital hardware that can detect sub 30cm variances. And stationary ground hardware that can detect sub 30mm variances out to the natural earth curvature.

:roll:

What I would really like to determine is the Circular Error Probability of sniper stations downrange at 2,000 metres.

 

wow, i know i'm a science geek now. i read un-ionized, not union-ized.

now back on topic, that is plain stupidity.

 

Its late and I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Anyway a couple of points:
-US federal government unions are a joke. They spend their time arguing over office size and how loud people can play their boom boxes. This is more about politics than unions.
-you can use sensors which can measure a gnat crawling across the border. Don't mean nothing without some wetware staring at the screen. google the fuss made over India's surprise A bomb tests a few years back.

 

C'mon, folks. It's the Washington Times--worth less than the paper it's printed on.

Never mind the faulty logic (increased apprehensions after the Minutemen's little jamboree would argue against their effectiveness). Wait for confirmation before believing anything--to include weather reports--found in this hard-right rag.

 

Yes, I am. Big time. Sarcasm Mode ON:

These are the same folks who put all of us common lowlife Civillians (Us same nuts who pay taxes to support their budgets) under a microscope while refusing to cast any suspician on their own.

No wonder a complete f*** up like Aldrich Ames was able to advance to Director Of Analysis for Soviet Intelligence Operations at the CIA, and why he could get away with what he did.

Gee, let's see here: guy is an alcoholic f*** up, suddenly he pays cash for a luxury house, pays cash to buy a new Jaguar every year or so ... nah, no problem here. Can't snoop around TOO much, as a Federal Employee he has his Rights.

Hey, Joe Q. Public, did you declare that $1,248 you made working on the side? Hmmm, we're going to audit your a**.

Sarcasm Mode OFF.

 

The Washington Times is owned by the moonies. It's credibility is very close to zero.

The Federal Unions, as well as most state unions are pretty much destroyed. They no longer have any effectiveness. The only reason they still exist is to give right wingers something to hang blame on.

As for immigration, American corporations like lots of immigration, legal as well as illegal. It keeps wages down. And it keeps wages down even when the immigrants don't work in your field.

And now that the Corporations have pretty much sealed their ownership of our government you will see ever shoddier border patrols. It's always easy to blame the front line personal (such as blaming unions), but the problem lies in Washington.

Actually the problem lies with us, as long as we continue to vote in the corporatists like Tom Delay and Bill Frist.

 

Actually, we were doomed when a certain administration in the 90's opened the floodgates to cheap Chinese crap and granted them "most favored nation" status.

Of course, the Jean Chretien Liberal Government of Canada made huge gobs of money off the Canadian taxpayer doing exactly the same thing, with his little buddy Paul "Mr Dithers" Martin sticking his meathooks in the taxpayer money trough.

What little "freedom" that existed in Communist China came to a screeching halt when the tanks were fired up in Tiananmen Square. It was somehow fitting that the very place where Chairman Mao Zedong initiated the PRC in 1949 was also where an expression of personal freedom was crushed under tank tracks.

I don't trust large corporations and I sure as h*** don't trust large bloated self-serving government agencies.

 

If you can tell me a way to protect ourselves from the antics of some corporations, without government, I'd be glad to hear it.

At least Governments can be voted out, corporations can't. Yes, stockoholders can vote out CEOs and such, but they usually do so because the corporation is not stealing enough money fast enough, or not raping the environment enough. They rarely vote them out because they treat their customers or employees or the environment too nicely.

Corporations spend billions to convince regular people that the biggest evil in society is government. And guess who then benefits when they succeed? Certainly not those regular people.

 

Thank heavens for the MinuteMen in AZ. Its an excellent example of citizen politicians. A government of the people, for the people and by the people. Thats "by" not "buy". Term limits anyone?

 

Well, THAT is a good question. Obviously the current system of doing things has done s*** to keep large monopolistic legal entities in check. Total laissez faire - a nebulous concept at best - also doesn't work.

My huge issue has been how government employees and government agencies, especially our "friends" at the IRS, treat John Q. Public with automatic distrust and it seems contempt at every turn. However, if John Q. Public happens to shine the spotlight on them for a change, it's instant CYA mode.

The same thing for large monopolistic legal entities: they want to know every odd facet of your life, but if you happen to dig a little too deep into their affairs, they run crying to The Fed for protection.

As I said earlier, if an individual happens to - shall we say - "forget" to include some on the side income, they are in deep s***. But we're not allowed to check into the lives of CIA directors to ensure they're not living a Champaign Lifestyle on a Beer Budget and making mysterious cash payments for everything, a la Aldrich Ames.

My current bugaboo is how the Bankruptcy Laws have been changed to make it much harder for John Q. Public to get out from under crushing credit debt. Now at a certain level, I have no sympathy for an individual who foolishly jumps into the Credit Trap up to their neck.

At the same time, John Q. Public is strongly encouraged to assume levels of credit debt that become impossible to service, so the options are repossession or bankruptcy. Except now the very same entities that encourage John Q. to assume that debt expect their pound of flesh too.

At the same time, a legally incorporated entity has a much *easier* time walking away from debt. Isn't that ironic? If I could, I'd lend out my money in a back alley at up to 500%, with the subtle hint of broken fingers or worse if the schlub didn't pay up. That would be way better than the measly 2.4% I'm getting from guaranteed investments.

If I did try to lend out my money in a back alley, even at only 30%, I would most certainly be arrested as a loan shark under some sort of RICO-inspired legality. Yet the credit card companies and those Payday Loan ripoffs appear to have every legal right to do so.

I'm pragmatic enough to recognize that at a basic level most individuals are self-serving and looking out for Number One. I expect that and understand the deep primitive emotions that guide that thought process. It doesn't matter what "ism" they live under (Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, etc), an individual will usually look out for Number One and to h*** with everybody else.

When an individual does buck the Trend and attempt to honestly do something for the Common Man, then I'm pleasantly surprised. But I never expect it, so I'm not let down in any way by seeing all the bulls*** around me.

Getting back to the original topic of how so many illegals are magically arriving in our country, I have to lay most of the blame on the Border Patrol and the INS, both now under that magic umbrella of DHS. It should be patently obvious to all but the most dimwitted that the only way so many illegals are cruising past our borders is because they are ALLOWED to do so.

Want to cut out the illegal aliens? Why aren't all those farms required to show proof of Green Cards or SSN's? Why are suck-the-life-right-out-of-a-community companies like Wally World allowed so much leniency in casual employment?

And please explain to me why a country that supposedly put men on the moon (No, don't get me started on that one, it's good for another topic and we can then discuss real vs apparent radio transmission delay) can't somehow ensure that a few hundred miles of Southern border and a little over 2,000 miles of Northern border can't be made more secure than a rusty screen door?

 

Amen Brother.

If more citizens took personal responsibility for such things, instead of trusting vague contemptuous government agencies with odd double standards, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

Hey, Jayman, what's this "we" ****. Last time I checked we haven't yet annexed Canada. And ascribing some imagined sell out to corporations to one or the other political party is tres naive. In the words of the Who: "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." So relax. There's nothing so pathetic as a North American whining about how repressed he is.


Mod edit - can we please keep the profanity to a minimum? thanx.

 

funny how "dual's" get waxed on both sides.

 

Ron, Jayman has dual citizienship. He has every right to voice an opinion on the mismanagement of the US government as you do.

 

Frank:

Tell me about it!

Funny thing is that Americans and Canadians always dump on each other, but we have *way* more in common than we care to admit. Eg: freedom of religion, freedom of speech ...

Jay

 

And don't even get me started on the chronic scandal-plagued mismanagement of the Liberal Party of Canada!

 

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where can I get one of these Liberalano's T-shirts. I just gotta have one of them.

 

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My bad. My larger point still stands about los norteños complaining about how put upon they are. And last I checked the only terrorist caught crossing a border was coming from Canada. Seems the minute men are a litttle lost.

 

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Frank:

Yeah, I'm getting a bit itchy for an election too. Vote those SOB's out.

In my last issue of The Western Standard, there was a beautiful Liberano's fold-out poster in the middle. They made Dithers (PM Paul Martin) look like a sad confused boob, which is pretty close to the truth.

I already tossed the magazine, but I do remember ads for tee's and other things. Check out:

http://www.westernstandard.ca

It would be fun to get those tee's, fly out to Ottawa or Montreal, and just walk around to see how long it takes to get beat up.

Jay