Brake accumulator, and brake bleed. Has an Interesting result.

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  1. kens97uber171

    kens97uber171 Active Member

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    My brake accumulator pump has been running fairly consistently typical failure from what I understand.
    Started with the accumulator pump running continuously eventually started making some weird barking noises, followed by the ABS VSC warning lights have never received the red triangle however.

    If I do a thorough brake bleeding on the rear brakes the symptoms disappear for awhile, I still get accumulator cycling at a higher rate than normal usually. However the barking noises go away and the warning lights go away for awhile.

    What's interesting is when you do the brake bleed on the rears, when you crack the bleeder Port you get fluid coming out and it make some interesting noises while it's doing that, eventually the noise changes dramatically and you start to see air bubbles in the fluid stream... eventually they stop.
    If you repeat this cycle on both left and right
    The car behaves pretty normally for up to about a week
    So obviously air is getting into the system somehow, I don't have a leak any place, I don't lose any fluid, and I drive a thousand miles a week.. so I would think I would notice and fluid loss. I don't fully understand the fluid path from reservoir to master cylinder.. to accumulator out to the wheels. I
    know the fluid moves back and forth in some pattern so what I'm wondering is if it could be picking up air somewhere along that path??
    It's also possible I assume that this IS the failure modes at the accumulator pump demonstrates in which case it needs a new pump... which I have already purchased.
    I'm just wondering if there's not a loose hose or a loose pressure line or something or perhaps that air is getting in through the master cylinder I don't know would very much appreciate your input.
    I apologize for the long message here and also the video is about 20 minutes long, because I pieced
    several short videos together. The beginning of it is the brake bleeding procedure that's probably the most important thing if you don't want to watch the whole thing
    thank you very much for your help.
     
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    I suspect you're not seeing any "air" coming out that hasn't been there since day 1. The accumulator works by pumping the fluid into a canister filled with highly pressurized nitrogen gas. You know how the accumulator assembly looks like it has two big round cylinders? One is the motor for the pump, and the other is the nitrogen canister.

    Inside there is a beefy, beautiful, unbreachable bellows to keep all the nitrogen on one side and all the brake fluid on the other side. I don't know whether Mexico paid for it. But anyway, after some number of miles and years and thousands of flexing cycles, well, you can start losing some of the nitrogen into the fluid circuits.

    Eventually, with less and less volume of nitrogen inside the can, the pump has to run more and more often for shorter and shorter cycles, trying to keep the pressure up. (If you have a well pump at home and your pressure tank is losing its air charge, the same thing happens.)

    -Chap
     
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    Abs is leaking and Losing vac which is why the pump runs continuously.
     
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    To recap #2 a bit, the Prius brakes do not use a vacuum system. They use a pressurized fluid system, with the fluid pumped into an accumulator precharged with nitrogen gas. The bellows inside there can fail eventually, allowing the high-pressure nitrogen gas into the hydraulic circuits.

    -Chap
     
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    Thanks for the description of how this works. I had no idea about the nitrogen filled part.

    Do you know of any good diagrams of the system.. also
    A good disassembly instructions or even better a video..

    I'm very mechanically inclined... I just like having as much visual information as I can before I start a complicated repair.

    Thanks again for all your help..
    It's very much allapprecia.

    Ken
     
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    The diagrams of the system in the New Car Features manual on techinfo.toyota.com are exactly what you're looking for to understand the system.

    Once you have a techinfo login, all the other repair manual information is there too for your disassembly/replacement steps.

    -Chap
     
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    Thank you very much I will get those... And study up a bit before taking the car apart.

    Thanks again.
     
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    Hello, my 2008 with 152,000 miles is doing this. What part(s) did you end up replacing?
     
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    Thank you for making this video. I am getting the pump running continuously, so I suspect I'm not too far from having to replace the accumulator. But appreciate the time and effort you put into making this available for others to correctly identify/fix issues!
     
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    I have brake issue on my 07 Prius. I also have the "noise" that brake systems makes..
    I am confused on the terminology reference. Clearly a TSB was and has expired on the ABS Actuator
    which look like the accumulator.
     
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    OP did you replace the accumulator.. .
    ...
     
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    FYI
    Online Toyota Olathe ABS actuator pricing new at $1134. plus s/h/t and remanufacture Dorman $700

    I am considering doing the above replacement . However have concerns over reinstall and bleeding complete brake system .
     
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    If you're talking about a second-generation Prius, whether a 2007 or a 2004, you don't have to worry about whether the "actuator" looks like the "accumulator" because in the second generation they were combined into a single assembly.

    In Gen 1, the actuator is separate from the accumulator. In Gen 3, the actuator is separate from the accumulator again. But in Gen 2, it's one big box with all the pipes connected and the pump and accumulator included.
     
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    Yeah Gen2 Prius 2007..Let me see if I have this correct the local dealership has part for $1700 thereabout. Once replaced does that stop the noise ? I am guessing labor cost added I go to $3000 or more and three hours for pro mech and 2-3 days non pro. Would using DOT 4 brake fluid be okay while you have the whole thing torn down?
     
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    Here's Repair Manual excerpts. If anything else comes to mind let me know.
     

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