Bush is going to Veto the "Surrender in Iraq" bill

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  1. daronspicher

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  2. desynch

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    Dear Al Qaeda:

    We know that things in Iraq have been a bit tough for you lately. President Bush's determination to bring stability to Iraq through an increase in the number of troops has been showing results .. and even more troops are on the way. Because of the troop surge you have seen a decline in the number of American troops you and your Islamic fascist buddies have been able to kill. Because of the increased level of security in Baghdad the Iraqi people were starting to feel better about their future. You know this, even though the American people may not. You're close to the situation so you can readily see the changing conditions. The American people are insulated from this reality by a media apparatus that is more concerned with the destruction of President Bush than to the success of our efforts in Iraq.

    All in all, it was getting to be a pretty depressing picture for you and your terrorist pals.

    Well ... cheer up. Things are about to change. After a rather close vote in the U.S. Senate today you are one step closer to knowing an exact de upon which all U.S. troops will be withdrawn from Iraq. As we're sure your political analysts will tell you, setting a specific date for withdrawal. We're sure you realize that you cannot commit yourself to victory and to a date-specific withdrawal at the same time. You select one course of action, or the other.

    Take heart, too, in the fact that other nations and regimes in the Middle East have now seen further evidence that the United States does not have the political will to commit itself to victory. Your tactic of waging a war of attrition against American troops has been validated. The American people, having heard a preponderance of negative news from their media, are calling for capitulation. They've become complacent after five years have passed since 9/11 with no terrorists attacks in our country. Oh, there have been some isolated incidents of mad Muslims shooting up shopping malls and mowing innocents down with their cars ... but nothing major to rekindle their determination. Was this your plan all along? Somehow we think that you are that clever ... and if that's the case, this element of your grand plan has also worked very well.

    You now realize that you can advance your radical Islamist goals throughout the Middle East, and perhaps into Europe, without any fear of retaliation or interference from the United States. The will to fight is lost. The desire for victory has died. The American people have become fat, lazy and complacent. They no longer see either their freedom or their culture as something they are willing to fight for. It must be heady days indeed in your caves and tents. Hard to imagine, isn't it? Al Qaeda actually has more determination to see their cause through than the great United States of America! Perhaps that's because you're dedicated to the cause of the spread of Islam, while the American people have lost their dedication to the cause of liberty. Complacency will do that to you.

    We do have one word of caution for you. You and your Islamic terrorist buddies have been the beneficiaries of the aftermath of the 2000 presidential election in the United States. That election, and the close vote in our State of Florida, created a sense of hatred and resentment in Democrats against our president such as has never been seen before in our history. From that moment on Democrats and liberals in the U.S. were steadfastly dedicated to the idea of the destruction of the Bush presidency. Oh, to be sure, there were a few weeks of solidarity following your attacks of 9/11, but it didn't last. When the panic subsided Democrats suddenly realized that any measure of success in the war against you might actually strengthen the Republican hold on power. It didn't take Democrats long to decide that their hatred of George Bush, and their desire to see his presidency destroyed, absolutely outweighed any concerns they had about protecting our people from another one of your vicious attacks. Democrats have convinced themselves that, once they have gained full control of our government, a few "we feel your pain" comments directed at your murdering Islamic followers will be all that is needed to put the Western world and the wonderful, peaceful, serene religion of Islam around a desert campfire singing rousing renditions of Kumbaya. You just need to be aware that there is a chance, though slight, that the Democrats might actually decide that our culture is worth fighting for ... if they can first rid our country of the Bush pestilence.

    At any rate .. the Senate has now set a deadline. If the bill makes it to the president's desk he says he will veto it. Some feel, however, that when the president realizes that the legislation merely sets a date certain for our capitulation to you in Iraq, and doesn't open the doors to any additional stem cell research, he will decide that a veto is not warranted. So ... just sit tight. Save your energy. Catch your breath. Cool it. You may soon know the exact date that you one day commemorate as the date you chased the infidels out of Iraq. This could well be the date you will remember as the beginning of the final steps toward your 12th Caliphate and the cause of world domination under Islamic law.

    You are small but determined to see your dreams of domination come true. America is strong but complacent and unwilling to fight for the cause of liberty. Time to ferment some goat's milk for a toast!

    Yours truly

    America the Timid.

    Props to Neal Boortz.
     
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    Thank you desynch! Your letter to Al Qaeda hit the nail right on the head, and thank you for sending it to this forum, instead of actually sending it to Al Qaeda, although, I suspect they may have infiltrated our news media anyway.

    Three cheers for George W. Bush, and all of my grattitude to those who serve and have sacrificed in Iraq.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar 29 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]414424[/snapback]</div>
    Do Iraqis even like the likes of Al Qaeda?
     
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    Al Qaeda did not like Saddam, he was to 'liberal' for them ;)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Lywyllyn @ Mar 29 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]414528[/snapback]</div>
    Isn't Al Qaeda loosely associated with the sunnis? The sunnis are the ones attacking our troops. They are also the ones that are going to get slaughtered if we leave no? Problem solved.
     
  7. Godiva

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    Saddam Hussein hated Al Queda and was responsible for keeping them out of Iraq. Once he was gone, they wasted no time moving in. Now there is a full blown civil war, whether this administration admits it or not. We gave Iraq a civil war. We are not going to stop it. We can't stay there until they stop it.

    Let Bush try to veto.

    There are provisions in the Constitution for overriding a veto.

    So it comes down to a giant game of "Chicken".

    Would Congress send a bill that Bush says he'll veto if they didn't have the votes to override?

    If Bush vetoes, he takes the chance that Congress overrides him anyway and he loses face, points, presitge, power, whatever.

    The Bill has more money that he asked for and contains necessary funding for Katrina relief, et al. So it's about more than supporting the troops.

    It's going to get interesting.
     
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    I say let the extremists bomb each other rather than our troops. In the longer run it may be better if the Sunnis/Shias learn the hard way rather than being forced to cooperate against their own will.

    Though... I suspect the bombings may go down upon leaving - it seems that at least some of it has a lot more to do with ego than anything else (on both sides).
     
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    This is exactly what Dr. Berman wanted the Democrats to do...he said (paraphrasing) "I wish the Dems would get some balls and pass a bill that really has teeth in it." He got his wish. He felt we were too whimpy when a bill was passed to make a statement alone without any objective or solid dates, limits, etc. He apparently felt that 1)We didn't have the 'guts' to pass a real bill (clearly wrong), or 2)Wanted this to happen just like this so the neocons could jump all over this as proof we don't support our troops, want terrorists to take control, are all traitors hiding under the American flag...and probably all having 'sick gay sex' and performing late term abortions in our spare time as well.

    This is what you call creating a catch 22....they got themselves (and thus the entire US) in an untenable, unwinable situation. They don't want to admit this of course. Thus, once the entire country finally caught on they go to fall-back position "A". Lay things out not in such a way as to recover from the terrible situation they created. No, make said situation look like the democrats are actually the bad guys in the entire mix.

    Kind of like the old "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" question....saying either "yes" or "No" will be an admission of guilt....and that's what the conservatives are desperately clinging to as a means of gaining control of the situation in DC. Why, I don't know, they'll just screw it up even worse than they already have in all likelyhood...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Mar 29 2007, 06:43 PM) [snapback]414603[/snapback]</div>
    This is correct. Hussein ran Iraq as a secular state, while al Qaeda wants an Islamic Republic. Thus, they hated each other.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Mar 29 2007, 06:43 PM) [snapback]414603[/snapback]</div>
    The override vote will go along party lines, and the Dems do not have enough votes to override a veto. Overriding a veto would require a massive defection of Repubs from their party leaders.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Mar 29 2007, 06:43 PM) [snapback]414603[/snapback]</div>
    Yes, it would send the bill, just to make a political point, for use in the next election.
     
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    The vile post by desynch entirely misses the point :

    Iraq was totally off the radar for the terrorists before we invaded in 2003. It wasn't exactly a haven for the likes of Al Qaeda, and this has been proven again and again. Saddam was a horrible and vicious dictator, but he kept radical Islamists out of his country.

    Our invasion of Iraq destabilized the country. Once we toppled Saddam's government, we basically opened the doors for Al Qaeda to sprout there, and unleashed the massive sectarian tension that has been dormant there during Saddam's reign of terror.

    You may disagree with pulling out our troops there immediately, but don't act like Bush didn't bungle this from the very beginning and exhibited extremely poor judgment.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LaughingMan @ Mar 29 2007, 10:56 PM) [snapback]414623[/snapback]</div>
    Oh they do act like that. He's the best president EVER, didn't you hear?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(LaughingMan @ Mar 29 2007, 09:56 PM) [snapback]414623[/snapback]</div>
    They haven't missed this point...they ignore this point. They'll change the subject, call you names, whatever it takes to avoid addressing these points directly.
     
  14. daronspicher

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    I enjoyed the sound bite from the (I think) Senate minority leader... Let's stop yappin about this bill and get down to voting on it so we can get it to the President for a veto and then get back to working on a bill that could actually become law.

    :lol:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Mar 29 2007, 09:57 PM) [snapback]414608[/snapback]</div>
    almost what i wanted them to do - the fact they had to put $20 BILLION IN PORK to twist the votes of a DOZEN members of the Congress says all you need to know. They should have passed a STRAIGHT no-nonsense bill - the fact they could not says it all bro. this is not a "real bill". the dems had to touch their outer left banks of hate-americans and anti capitalists and anti military netroots. the dems are disgusting.

    and what about the new politics they were supposed to usher in - what a JOKE - more pork, higher deficts, more taxes..... nothing new about the dems - just more left than before and heading over the cliff.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Mar 29 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]414626[/snapback]</div>
    and this means what in real life - in reality - what do you want to do, retreat?
     
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    desynch Die-Hard Conservative

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    Hey libs, you obviously didn't see all the garbage attached to the bill.. 20 bil.. like dbermand said.. Of course he'll veto it.

    The liberal Democrats are just playing the same games to try to make Bush look bad..

    Once again, the liberals are clueless as to what is actually going on..
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(desynch @ Mar 30 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]414871[/snapback]</div>
    worse than clueless - they are endangering our soldiers lives - something they do NOT give a s**t about - SO MUCH FOR them always saying that they SUPPORT OUR TROOPS - HUH? THEY WILL ONLY SUPPORT OUR TROOPS (NOT THEIRS) IF THEY ARE OUR OF IRAQ OR NOT DEFENDING US. not even the libs here or the lefties here want to weigh in on this one. how can they vote for these spineless hypocrits - unless of course they are anti-american armed forces themselves - a very tough position for them to be in.

    tell me geniuses - all of you who support some pie in the sky retreat day from iraq - what makes that date sooooo special - some anniversary of some anarachists birthday - some great anti-america day or pro-socialist day? step on up.....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Mar 30 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]414876[/snapback]</div>
    "peace" at any cost. We all know how well this strategy worked for Prime Minister Chamberlain. ;)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Mar 30 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]414876[/snapback]</div>
    Democrats.. well, LIBERALS in general, are the most moronic group of clueless people I've ever had the displeasure of encountering. The Democrats, as you said, are indeed spineless hypocrits. They create this BS bill and tac on a couple billion in pork - create a media circus about how Bush is going to veto it - all the while, failing to mention all the CRAP they added to it, EXPECTING IT TO GET VETOd.

    Democrats/Liberals are the most un-American group of "citizens" in this country. They have no regard for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any other law - if they don't agree with it. They'll crap all over what our founding fathers have set up for "the greater good" or "for the children".
     
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    wow guys... can you please write a rebuttal without "morons" "spineless" and "anti american" and I will honor a civil discussion on this topic.

    note that I have not said where I stand on this issue, so no guessing please.

    Please rewrite you critic on the bill and I will engage in civil discourse.

    **reset button**
     
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