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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by felixkramer, Apr 15, 2004.

  1. felixkramer

    felixkramer New Member

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    Fellow discussion group members

    Many of you have followed the evolution of the California Cars Initiative, a volunteer effort started in 2002 to promote the next generation of clean, efficient cars -- and get car companies to build them. We've been focusing on what people variously call grid-connected, pluggable, plug-optional or plug-in hybrids -- PHEVs. We've come close, but we haven't yet persuaded a group of "Super Early Adopters" to custom-convert a few vehicles.

    Yet people keep asking us about converting the new Prius. After many conversations with Toyota engineers, we reluctantly accepted that the car's electric mode couldn't power it safely at highway speeds.

    But something changed for us a few months ago. We'd been following the pioneering work of Wayne Brown and other experimenters: enabling the EV-only button, then addressing the challenges of adding more batteries and grid-charging to the Prius, while looking invisible to Toyota's exquisitely designed Engine Control Unit.

    We kept thinking about the enthusiasm and excitement of online threads on these topics -- and on driving techniques to get well over 60mpg. And we sensed the growing potential of the organized '04 Prius owners and fans online -- now probably over 10,000 strong (see list below).

    All this inspired us to a "Eureka" moment when we asked,
    Why not convert Priuses so they're PHEV at low speeds and still hybrids at high speeds?

    WE REALIZED PRIUS PHEVs ARE WORTH BUILDING BECAUSE:
    1. Many people will love an electric mode, even if only for neighborhood driving.
    2. Petroleum displacement and emission benefits will still be substantial.
    3. Conversions of this hot car will get PHEVs into the national discussion of energy options.
    4. Early adopters can influence Toyota and other auto makers to see a market for highway PHEVs.
    5. If the demand became substantial, it will speed the development of lighter, cheaper, more powerful batteries.
    6. We can sponsor an awesome collaboration between legendary ZEV engineers and pioneering garage-based inventors.
    7. The results can be an unprecedented harnessing of consumer demand to bring to the world great clean cars.

    We came up with the PRIUS+ campaign, -- which we're announcing first to online communities.

    PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT:
    http://www.calcars.org -- EVERYTHING you want to know about PHEVs
    http://www.calcars.org/priusplus.html (also at easier-to-remember http://www.priusplus.org) -- LAUNCH ANNOUNCEMENT
    http://www.calcars.org/priusplusdetails.html -- ROADMAP to pages showing how this can happen and how you can help.

    It starts with money, of course. $50K for people-time, travel and components to enable this non-profit effort to put together a "proof-of-concept" vehicle, organize events to parade it in front of opinion shapers and decisionmakers, and take orders to convert Priuses. First buyers will be celebrity, entrepreneur and early adopter Prius owners who can afford to spend $10-$20K and live without some or all of their warranty. The cost depends on how many cars will share development expenses. Our experts estimate Toyota could sell us their first run of PHEV Priuses for just $4-8K more than an HEV -- and we hope eventually they will!

    WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW?
    To start, PRIUS+ needs your help reaching anyone in the categories of sponsors and buyers above. Pitch the idea to them yourself or send us contact info (we're very discreet). If you're simply a contented hybrid or EV owner or fan who isn't connected to the wealthy and famous, we hope you can help spread the word, consider supporting our effort with a modest tax-deductible contribution (any amount, or $95 as a Charter Sponsor). And send us your wishes (to [email protected]), since, if we succeed, your next car can be a PHEV from an established dealer in your town.

    Please feel free to forward this email freely. Thanks in advance for your sending ideas and support, or for sharing your thoughts -- preferably at either the Prius-2G and gridable-hybrids groups (see below).

    Felix Kramer
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    Felix Kramer [email protected]
    Founder California Cars Initiative
    http://www.calcars.org
    PO Box 61222 Palo Alto, CA 94306
    cell 650.520.5555 voice 650.599.9992
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    P.S. In the photo on the CalCars PRIUS+ pages, that's my '04 Prius with the "PLUG OK" plates (7,000 miles, 48.5 mpg). I'm happy to make it available for the "proof-of-concept" installation.

    P.P.S. You can get a sense of the potential of online communities that share experiences, ideas and strategies from the number of people involved and the number of messages they post. All but two shown below are Yahoo Groups (of course there are overlaps, and I haven't included Honda hybrid-related and electric vehicle, biofuel and other alt-fuel goups):
    (sorry, list formatted for monospaced font)
    # of ranked by # of
    Members Group Name March messages
    1,414 priuschat.com 4,386
    1,363 Prius-2G 4,090
    4,941 2004-Prius 1,507
    8,363 toyota-prius 1,229
    302 GreenHybrid.com 722
    2,449 Prius Technical Stuff 303
    369 gridable-hybrids 70
     
  2. Wolfman

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    OK, I can admire your interest in improving the EV mode of the Prius. But, I cannot understand where there is going to be some major offset of emissions. The car is already a PZEV, and as such, will barely even register on any emissions equipment. How much of that immesurable fraction of a difference will the effort make?
     
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    Can you post a simple summary of the goal here?

    Is it basically a Prius that you can plug in to charge the battery fully, making it more able to stay in stealth mode? With an extra battery pack stuck in the trunk?
     
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    If I read their web site right, there are two stages after that:
    • Have the ability to additionally plug in and charge the extra battery
    • Eventually replace the current Prius battery with a higher-capacity battery.


      • I find the idea that Wayne experimented with -- adding a 2nd battery to the Prius -- interesting, and (like EV mode) adding appeal -- but probably not to the point of voiding the warranty.

        The other 2 options have much less appeal to me. And, as Wolfman says, how much effort and expense to make the Prius (marginally?) cleaner?
     
  5. felixkramer

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    The primary advantages are reduction in fuel consumption (thus, reduction in CO2 and greenhouse gases, and switching to domestic fuel sources (thus, more energy security). Yes, the '04 Prius is very clean, but it's still a gasoline-fueled car.

    A plug-in hybrid transfers more of your miles driven to the power grid. In California, that power comes mostly from natural gas and hydropower, so the grid+ stealth-mode Prius is cleaner well-to-wheel than the gasoline-internal combustion. (Nationally, the grid is 50% coal-fueled, so the emission benefit is not as clear.)

    Of course, anyone who can charge his car from rooftop solar, gets free power and no emissions.

    And of course, we want to start with the Prius because people have gotten excited about the EV-only mode and see the Prius as the precursor of other cars (Lexus RX, Highlander very soon) that could be highway-speed full plug-in hybrids.

    I know there's a lot to read on the pages we link to in the message, but you'll learn a lot!