Considering Buying a PiP... Please Check My Math

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  1. MK500

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    Also, don't discount the amazing feeling of zooming around silently for a few miles every day. It's like having the fun of a real electric car, but without the bleeding edge issues (range, cost, etc). It's SUCH a good and unexpected feeling. For me this is easily worth $3000 over the 10 to 15 years I'll probably own it.

    I LOVE pulling into an out of my garage - which is connected to my house - with zero exhaust smell.

    I didn't expect to love it this much. It makes me want a Tesla big time. Too bad I don't have $100K lying around.
     
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    You and me both, brother... (or perhaps sister?).

    The enthusiasm on this board is remarkably contagious!
     
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    retired4999 Prius driver since 2005

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    (y) :D
     
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    Just remember, you came here looking for opinions related to a financial decision. If PiP is a toy to you, then you should just buy it. If not, you need to calculated based on your driving habit, do you really need a PiP and pay the higher premium. You may not even want a hybrid. The government has a web site with a calculator helping you to make decision about EV's.

    By the way, driving an EV is no big deal. It's like driving a fork lift powered by batteries. The novelty will wear off really quick.
     
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    Exactly. I have a long commute as well, and if I could plug in at work, the Volt would have made a much more intriguing option. Without it, I'd have a drive in that was 80 percent EV, but a drive home at lower economy than the Prius. Just didn't work out.
     
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    retired4999 Prius driver since 2005

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    By the way, driving an EV is no big deal. It's like driving a fork lift powered by batteries. The novelty will wear off really quick.
    How long will this sickness last! :p
     
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    Spoken like someone who has never rode in or driven an EV
     
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    Looks about right and the difference I was seeing
    $3,567 but MINUS the 2,500 fd back = just $1,067
     
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    If I really wanted an EV, I would go buy a Leaf. But since I can't charge at work, I'm not willing to pay the higher premium for an EV. Besides, I've been driving and sat in EV most of my life.

    - my first toy car
    - electric trolleys
    - New York Subways
    - Segway
    - golf carts
    - airport people carrier
    - bumper cars
    - battery powered fork lifts
    - sat in my friend's company car (Nissan Leaf)

    The novelty wears off quickly
     
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    About the same price I paid last October. I also took advantage of TFS's 60 month 0% loan. Which saved me another $1,800.
     
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    Don't forget how many hybrid miles $70,000 would buy you (y)
     
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    So Sedition, I presume you saw PeppyPrius post above in MD. There is a little more info in the Price Paid on Pip discussion, sounds like Peppy went to Antwerpen Toyota, which is a little farther away from us. I am thinking that $500 Processing fee is a VA thing possibly absent or much less in MD. From some other recent posters who complained about this fee, I am thinking you might save $500 by trying a MD dealer on the Beltway or Antwerpen.
     
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    Going on 10 months, now. The novelty has not diminished. If anything, it has magnified. I love it! My next car will either be fully electric or another plug in with a larger battery.
     
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    Great. Thanks to you I now really want a forklift. The wife is going to kill me when it shows up in the garage. I'm sending her your way.

    "But honey, look at how much wood I can now carry from one end of the yard to the other!"

    "I can pull the airplane around with this and don't even need one of those expensive tow carts!"

    "Look, love, I can lift the whole Miata!"

    ...crash...
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    Has there always been this many people commenting in PiP threads that don't own PiP's, or is it new?

    (and I mean never intend to get one...people that are thinking about getting one are fine)
     
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    I'm pretty sure you are correct. The out the door price may be cheaper in Maryland.

    But I believe there is a VA tax or fee for bringing a car across state lines. At least when I moved to VA from DC last December, there was a calculation at the DMV regarding the value of my current Toyota 4runner. (Fortunately that car was too old... But a brand new prius?)

    So virginia is going to get their slice, one way or the other!
     
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    You are a really great negotiator. You haven't even bought the car yet! I compare your negotiated price ($27690) with mine of ($28720). I paid $1,000 more and bought the car. I waited until the end of the 0% APR period and hoped that I could get a better deal. I signed on Aug 5, which was the last day of the promotion period. I'm still happy with the car even though it looks like I paid an extra $1000.
     
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    Actually, my spreadsheet may be artificially low by a thousand dollars. So don't feel bad.

    At the very top, there are two MSRPs... $33k and $32k. The $33k is is what the dealer says it is, and the $33k is what Toyota.com says it is. I've asked him for clarification on the delta, but I have not heard yet.

    My calcs are based on the lower number, which I may not actually get.

    Plus, there's a $1k "add'l dealer incentive line" on my spreadsheet. Not sure how real that is either. As I was leaving, I told him I was planning to price compare at other dealerships, and he threw that number out. I haven't ever seen it on paper.

    So it very well may be that I'm $1k higher than you!

    You know... They are telling me that my 0% offer only goes until Sept 3. But from what you're saying, it appears very likely that there will be another 0% offer on Sept 4th!
     
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    Yes, the dealer processing/doc fee in MD is $200. I wasn't successful negotiating it down though...although I tried. ;) You will pay state taxes in VA, even if you buy a car in MD, but you won't pay twice. I bought a car in Stafford, VA once and only paid MD title tax. Another thing to keep in mind, which I didn't at first, is VA may tax you on the full purchase price, without the rebates/incentives, plus the freight, etc. That is what MD did to me...of course the state that taxes everything is going to be sure to get their's! :mad:

    Obviously you don't own a PiP. I know I've only had mine for a week, but we also have a Highlander Hybrid...had it for 2 years and it is always fun to see how much gas you can save. The novelty has not worn off yet. I love watching all the jerk faces fly by me in their big ole' gas guzzlers...me all the while knowing I am saving gas. :p I especially don't mind sitting still on the road in horrible traffic anymore (which I do numerous times a day) because I know that I am not wasting/burning fuel. Saving me $$$ and the environment. Today when I got to work, my average MPG was 166!! :D
     
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    i'm pretty sure there's a troll in this thread, but i'm not mentioning any names!:p
     
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