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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Oct 11, 2025 at 3:06 AM.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    EVs are not for everyone, 12 EVs That Are Already Failing in 2025:


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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    The $80,000 door stop didn't fail because it's an EV - and a USED example will have ALL of the disadvantages of the new one along with failures caused by the parent company's hit and miss reliability and build quality, the battery degradation issues, and the 'cliff-drop' resale value after the 100,000 mile battery warranty expires.

    In other words?
    It's just like most of the other BEVs out there - only more (or less!) so.

    BEVs CAN be a very cost effective option for some people and they're efficient as all git out in some very niche categories.
    I think that you're going to find that now that do.gov is no longer bribing people to drive them that they will continue to improve in the real-world marketplace by their own merits....or DEmerits.

    People forget that automobiles have been around for over 125 years and that they did not just spring into existence fully developed.
     
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    Software glitches seem to be the biggest thing. Can't wait till AI is running everything.
     
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    Yep, New or Used - it's the same as if you bought a regular ICE. Someone whose been modifying a used car - I walk away from it. Pop the hood on a car and the owner is proud and pointing out all the chrome and modifications he's done - good luck, it a pig with lip-stick on it. Nine times out of ten.

    The stuff that seems to get by quality control inspectors now-a-days - they must've been stoned when the car rolled by.
     
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    The entire automotive industry (not counting Toyota) invested huge to build brand new vehicle drivetrains with new production facilities with 20% the number of parts as ICE based drivetrains. When you do that you're bound to have these types of growing pains and its just a matter of time they will have addressed all their EV failings while Toyota has barely even gotten started retooling their factories and parts makers.
     
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    LOL, most of those weren't any good when new.
     
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    Is the voice reading the script that of a real person or some type of AI? I've heard the same voice in several other YouTube videos, usually having to do with alternative energy topics. The person (or machine) doesn't speak in a monotone like the earliest examples of computer-generated voice, but he (or it) doesn't seem aware of English language shortcuts commonly used, and invariably spells out each letter of names that would not appear in the Oxford English Dictionary ("E" "V" "S" instead of EVs, and "I" "D" dot "4" instead of ID4). I also wonder why, when the production is geared for a North American audience, did they use video of right-hand drive cars for many of the models they were discrediting.

    I'm not questioning the accuracy of the information. I'm just curious about who is behind the production. Can they not hire a real a real North American for the voice-over?
     
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    That would cost money.o_O:p:cool:

    I've seen a lot of clever temporary work-around videos for a lot of stuff - but some people actually think that's a permanent fix and 'the man' is just trying to rip them off. I actually prefer the clear concise AI English as opposed to a heavy accent that you can barely make out what a person is trying to say. People need to realize that this is the internet and some, if not most information has a bias or is out-right wrong - that doesn't work in all circumstances. No editors to police or fact check things. I know many people that can't filter the BS out. All you can do it pray for them, cause you can't fix stupid.

    That's just my opinion and my stupidity........
     
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    It's definitely AI and I bet is funded by the fossil fool industry. Basically video by prompt... As in: "Ok, AI write me a script about everything that people complain about related to EVs and go through the details of each EV and the common complaints so the script argues that it is a bad long term investment and not worth spending money on an EV car."
     
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    Sounds like your asking an AI to write your term paper.:p:Do_O:ROFLMAO::LOL::whistle:
     
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    Not Google AI, but other AI's are a great way to write a rough draft of something... But fact checking and editing to not sound like a robot is essential. For the moment you can recognize AI writing when you see an extreme overuse of literary devices. In time AI will abuse that ability less often and become more believable.
     
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    I wish AI were more than a glorified search engine that appears to just stitch together what it found together.

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    If you used 10 times the amount details and elaborated equally as much with your question, as well as coached it to improve its answers when its not good enough and set yourself up with a service that tracks all your previous conversations so it never makes the same mistake twice you'd not say that.

    As in back in the late 90's and early 2000's when I was trying to learn how to get old computers to work better and faster, or even work at all, the main challenge was trying to figure out how to ask a very specific and clear question to people online. It was the primary limitation to getting help. The same goes for AI...

    Also that happens all the time on PriusChat too.
     
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    That was all AI generated and narrated. In the first 30 secs the voice over says EV S, if you feed rubbish in, you get rubbish out .... I click off the You Tube videos as soon as I spot the AI indicators, what's the point of watching something you know won't be a balanced summary .......

    T1 Terry
     
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    Probably but a lot of the technical details matched my understanding. I do draw lesson's learned from the problems of others. I also wanted to see if the BMW i3 or Tesla Model 3 were in the sh*t list.

    Of the list, the Lucid is the only one I consider technically qualified. But given the abysmal management practices and funding, not one I could consider.

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    That was very mean ... I will never get that time back ..... even watching it at 2 x speed, I needed new filters in my hearing aids because they had clogged from the inside out :eek: The Leaf has a replacement battery with double the capacity, so it's not a stranded piece of junk, just factor the replacement battery into the price ....

    Everyone knew Mazda's first attempt was rubbish, you can't use an ICE platform and simply throw an electric motor and batteries into it ...

    Many of the imported models problems are not the vehicle or the manufacturers fault ..... someone who went crazy about punishing anyone who sold to US citizens can be blamed for the parts problems and deporting so many makes it hard to train workers when they might be shipped out tomorrow.

    Ford and GM's problems, you can't import Chinese tech without importing the people who know how to fix the stuff and get shafted by your own govt when trying to get parts for them ....

    Lucid, the Saphire is an incredible vehicle, not cheap, but not even a Maclaren can run with them. Worth watching the Drag and Drive 2025 to see just how well they went, no tune for racing and detune for the road part, no roadside breakdowns .... a drive to work, holidays, socialising and track days .... all in one .....

    The picture was painted that all EV's are rubbish and worthless within 3 yrs ..... giving the impression that buying an ICE car was a better option ..... no mention about 3 yrs old ICE vehicle being a better choice ..... maybe the idea was to avoid buying anything and walk everywhere :rolleyes:

    Basically, no matter what you are going to buy, do some research first ......

    T1 Terry