Death Rates in Iraq and Here

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Nov 22 2006, 10:46 AM) [snapback]353111[/snapback]</div>

Yes, it appears you're right, dbermanmd, and I guess if the murder rates aren't really that bad then we can go ahead and leave Iraq, then.

Vince

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VinceDee @ Nov 22 2006, 02:49 PM) [snapback]353114[/snapback]</div>

Yes ... the all or nothing approach. Always a winner. When Sadam Husain was in charge, we will never know how many civilians were smoked per month / tortured per month. Sure would be easier if we went back to the 'head in sand' approach.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Nov 22 2006, 02:46 PM) [snapback]353111[/snapback]</div>

hahahhaha...you are comparing a month in Baghdad with a year here!

 

Just so we're on the same page. Am I correct, your figures for Bagdad are for October alone, one month, and your figures for DC in 91 are for the year? Just want to mack sure I'm reading this right...





Edit: Oops, I see Alric beat me to it...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Nov 22 2006, 11:25 AM) [snapback]353138[/snapback]</div>

oohhh, snap!

Any response, dbermanmd?

Vince

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Nov 22 2006, 04:06 PM) [snapback]353161[/snapback]</div>

No snap. More like wet noodle. I bet the the month with least deaths in Baghdad will still be higher than a whole year in a US city.

 

So if a terrorist nuclear bomb kills 100,000 americans, how will that affect the overall mortality rate in the US? I'd surmise it'd make a nominal increase percentage-wise.

 

Throw these numbers into you calculations:

Population of Iraq: ~ 26,780,000
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004391.html

Population of DC:
~ 550,000
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

It helps to compare like-kind.

Me personally, currently, I'd rather live in the worst slum of DC than the best Iraqi neighborhood. <_<

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Nov 22 2006, 05:02 PM) [snapback]353199[/snapback]</div>

From CNN:

"The report said 7,054 civilians were killed violently in September and October in Iraq, with almost 5,000 in Baghdad alone"

So let's say 2,500 in one month with a population of 7,000,000. That's 35 per 100,000 in a month for 428 per 100,000 in a year in Baghdad alone.

D.C. is 80/100k/year
Baghdad is 428/100k/year

What murder rate is acceptable for you? I don't know. Neither is acceptable to me but the problem is that we are direclty responsible for the latter.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Nov 22 2006, 03:43 PM) [snapback]353186[/snapback]</div>

Let's say hypothetically, you take in the year 2006 in the USA

a)mortality rate= total number deaths(natural causes)/total number of people.

now in scenario with terrorist attack
b)mortality rate= total number deaths(natural causes)+100,000(from an attack somewhere in the USA)

What is the statistical difference between the mortality rate and a vs b? There will be a difference, but it's small at best. My point is even though there is not much of a statistical difference between your comparison of the murder rates of urban city usa and the rate of death in Iraq, the cause of death certainly can be perceived as immoral to those who are the victims of the war. Just as a 100,000 additional deaths in america would be just a statistical blip, it would be viewed as an such by the victims.

 

Only the doberman can err about 1000% in his numbers, and not have his opinions fazed one bit when he is corrected.

Hilarious

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Nov 22 2006, 01:36 PM) [snapback]353179[/snapback]</div>

You should know better than to say this to an irrational person who compares 1 mo vs. 1 yr. and expects this to go unnoticed.
...than a US city...he will choose to argue back something like Jacksonburg, OH or Shingle Springs, PA to prove your point is technically incorrect even tho a normal reader will take your point in context to meaning and move on. Must be very careful when dealing with irrational people.

 

dbermanmd, you know better than to post someone else's words without quoting them and crediting the author.

http://sadlyno.com/archives/4375.html

tsk tsk

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Nov 27 2006, 04:10 PM) [snapback]354543[/snapback]</div>

What?!? You expect a Neocon to have an original thought? We must all walk lock-step in what orders came from Rove via Bully Bill and Rush, parroting the line of the day, even when that line has been proven false.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Nov 22 2006, 10:46 AM) [snapback]353111[/snapback]</div>

Does the UN rate include all murders? Or just the sectarian violence attributed to the centuries old hatred between the Shia and Sunni Muslims?

Stats like this are rarely helpful. I heard one that I thought was nonsensical this weekend: we have been in Iraq longer than WWII. Well, in one respect you could say that ... but not when you consider the "reconstruction" period after the fall of the German government. In Iraq, we ran over their military in very short order, and for the last two+ years have been engaged in what took us nearly 10 years in Germany: vanquishing an insurgency. Then we stayed another 40 years or so.