Dieselgate Round 2 - FCA gets a notice of violation for the 3.0 V6 diesels

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    FCA's response; FCA US Response to EPA

    Disappointing, but I'm willing to wait for more evidence; the EPA notice didn't feel the need to quote any numbers in the NOx increase. FCA could have cheated, or they simply didn't fill out a form correctly and the EPA is on a witch hunt.
     
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    The EPA is THE natural predator for witches.

    BUT.... I loathe diesels so this is a red-on-red thing for me.

    I'll root for both sides.
     
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    Sad to say, not much in the way of technical specifics.

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    made the evening news.
     
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    As I understand it; EPA is saying there is an undocumented software bypass, FCA should have reported and did not.
    Had it been reported, it may have been legal, but with no reporting, the EPA can't tell if it is legal or not.

    If FCA coughs up the code and conditions where it is used, this might be a minor fine. If they stonewall or the code is not legal, expect more of a fine. Moving to Italy may be a wise precaution for FCA executives. (Mind you, the Administration may just defund the EPA. Sigh.)
     
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    they've watched the whole vdub debacle, hopefully learned something.
     
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    Which is why I'm hesitant to condemn FCA at this point. The engine and models in question were available when VW went down., and it sounded like the EPA took a closer look at the other manufacturers diesel then, like GM's Colorado. If so, the EPA should have seen if those trucks were polluting more then.
     
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    There's at least a couple of big 'ol diesels in our neighbourhood. Everytime one rolls buy it's obvious they're putting out a lot of unburnt fuel. Sad.
     
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    Ever wonder how much extra pollution a gasoline vehicle of the same age was spewing?

    I see, and smell, more Asian compact cars that have been modded during the week than diesels. They might even have sootier bumpers.
     
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    Yeah we were behind a carbureted gasoline classic one time, pretty much impossible to breath, the guy was running so rich.
     
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    Your fuel economy should have improved though.
     
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    Oh hey: drafting fumes. (y)
     
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    there's nothing worse than trucks and busses. idk about air pollution, but you feel like you're breathing poison, and it looks like it too.
     
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    If they have functioning modern emissions controls, that shouldn't be the case.

    The problem is that often, the controls are malfunctioning (and have sometimes been removed, in the case of over the road trucks - especially due to their poor implementation, they seriously hurt reliability, performance, and fuel efficiency, to the point that heavy duty truck manufacturers are, I've heard, investigating gasoline engines again due to the much simpler emissions controls).

    And, in some cases, even in a modern heavy duty vehicle... for heavy duty, the thing that is emissions certified is usually the engine, not the truck. This means that you can get a "glider" - a rolling chassis with no powertrain - and install some - legitimately certified to its original standards - old pre-emissions engine from the early 1990s into a brand new semi. For model year 2018 and later, that is no longer allowed, a new chassis must have an engine certified to the model year that the chassis was produced in, or newer.
     
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    FCA close to settlement with THEIR dieselgate/fraud;

    Fiat Chrysler & US Justice Department Close To Settling On Diesel Emissions Cheating Scandal | CleanTechnica

    Funny - their president used 1/2 decade old battery costs to 'claim' they loose money on the 500e - and on the other fraud face, they claim their diesel cars are clean.

    Reading above - most wanted to wait to see if in fact FCA actually did anything wrong. I doubt they would be peading guilty otherwise. (even as the investigation continues)
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