Do I NEED to fill up every so often?

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  1. HappyHybrid

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    With my prior job (I just changed last week), a 100% charge would normally get me to work and back with a little left over, so rarely had to use gas (unless it was really cold, and/or I made a pitstop on the way home), and would just plug it in when I got home to charge up overnight.

    New job is literally 3 minutes from home, so not only to I not use gas to get there and back at ALL, it's looking like I only need to plug it in to charge every week and a half or so. (Woohoo!)

    Basically, I bought the car January 11th, and I've only used half a tank of the original gas that was put in at the dealership, have yet to add anything to it. Would be less used than that, but I did drive about an hour and a half on the highway with it to go to my sister's house to see the lunar eclipse last month.

    I've had three people suggest to me that I should still add gas to it occasionally to kind of mix things up so there won't be sediments and gunk collecting at the bottom of the gas tank. Is that something I actually need to be concerned about, that I'm not using ENOUGH gas and should top it off more frequently?

    Or is that nothing i need to worry about?

    Loving this car! No offense, RAV4 (what I traded in to get it), but really enjoying my Prime.

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    it's not a matter of filling up, but using the gas that you have. i would try to run through a tank every year or less, but don't let it go below the out of gas light. there are still a couple gallons left when you get the warning.
    and you don't have to fill it if you're not using much gas. half a tank is fine.
     
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    Gasoline starts to break down after a few months. Our local dealership offers a free service to swap out your old stale gas for fresh gas, once a year.
     
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    You are undermining the world economy. Because of you, the price of oil is falling. Aren't you ashamed? Get to the gas station now!;)
     
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    Sorry, that's false - just driving down the road is enough to agitate and mix the fuel. Modern car fuel systems are sealed up pretty tight; though old fuel in the tank is an issue.
    IMHO; you should be exercising the engine every two weeks or at least once a month for 15 minutes minimum. This will lube the mechanical parts and burn out all the accumulated moisture and contaminates in your engine & oil. Depending on how long it takes you to get through a tank of gas; I'd also think about putting fuel stabilizer in there. I do that with my lawn mower gas because it takes me a good 9 months to get through 2.5 gallons.
    Or you can trade it in for a BEV and not deal with the ICE at all.....
     
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    Plan a long drive to a gas station that sells no-ethanol gasoline: Pure-gas.org - ethanol-free gasoline in the U.S. and Canada

    Once you've used up all the existing gas and have ethanol-free gasoline in the tank you'll be able to maximize how long you go without buying new gas. As in ethanol attracts moisture and makes gas go bad faster than gas without ethanol.
     
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    Maybe just drive it like a hybrid regularly, say one day a week. It’ll cycle the gas more, and benefit the engine.
     
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    I know you just bought it, but do you need a hybrid? A used short range (under 150 miles) EV should be relatively cheap. Do you need a car at all? At 3 minutes I'd walk or bike to work.
     
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    I DO travel other than work occasionally (very occasionally, lol), my sister lives an hour and a half away, fiance lives 2 and a half hours away, and most concerts tend to be a ways away from here as well. Enough distant places that I didn't want to go full electric until the infrastructure is in place for better charging options. Maybe my next one will be full EV.
    But my last car prior to the RAV4 was a 2007 Prius, and I couldn't wait to get back into one again, I really missed it. And definitely don't regret getting the Prime, it's an awesome car.
     
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    If I did it every day for the short drive to and from work, would that be enough to keep things running smoothly, or would that not be enough road miles for it?
     
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    depends on the weather, but you want the engine to complete the warm up cycle and shut off.
    otoh, 3 minutes creates a lot of pollution. i'd be more inclined to take a 20 mile drive once a week with no wall charge, maybe 50/50 highway and back roads
     
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    So running it in HV charge mode isn't enough? Or will that work?

    Just seems so wasteful to drive it just to drive it, kind of defeats the purpose, you know? I don't have THAT many places to go.
     
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    I think Bisco's advice is for the earliest version of plugin Prius that Bisco used to have and doesn't apply to the newer ones, which don't have an ICE warm up cycle until the battery charge is depleted enough to justify it.
     
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    It's good to have a full engine warm-up, regularly. My wife and I are both retired,, fixed income, not using our '10 that much. We do occasionally need to make a cross-town drive, run out to the airport, stuff like that. We try to do most shopping at lnearby, stores, on foot (we're lucky to be quite close to a few "corner stores" and a Walmart), and then when we're obliged to do a long drive, and it's doable, we'll do heavy-item, stock-up shopping on the same day.

    When your usage is low you want to strategize, to keep the engine happy.

    Also consider a charger regiment for the 12 volt battery.
     
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    I thought you had an engine block heater to eliminate the need for a warm up?
     
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    Yes, use that before cold-starts virtually all the time. But it it doesn't result in a totally warmed up engine; raises coolant temp 20~30C above ambient..
     
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    Drives that short could be worse than just using electric.Yeah, you'll use up gas, but the oil will never warm up enough to dry out, with more water from combustion getting added each time the engine ran.

    Previous PHEVs kept track of when gas was last added and used. At some point, the car will alert the owner to add fresh gas, or it will go into hybrid mode only to start using up the old fuel. You might of gotten it, if you drove all EV since you got the car. The manual should have details on this. The tank is well sealed, so age related break down is far slower than that of gas in a lawnmower. I wouldn't worry about that.

    From now on, I'd use hybrid mode for trips over 10 minutes long to use up the fuel. and then add only the amount needed instead of filling up. It usually takes 3 gallons to reset the 'old gas' timer.

    From reports here, I'd be more concerned with the 12Vbattery than the gas with such short trips.
    With such usage, it would be worth looking into your state's low speed vehicle regulations. A street legal EV golf cart can work for the commute, while keeping the old gasser for trips.
     
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    running it in charge mode is fine, you will burn the gas up faster
     
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    Driving that Prime in all-electric mode is fun. I did that for about 3 weeks when I bought mine (2017 Pime) last year. Then one day, I did a calculation to see how much I was saving by driving around in all EV mode and here is what I got:

    I put in about 6 KWh of charge and pay $0.20 per KWh (in FL). But the charger is not 100% efficient (it uses about 10% more than what it actually puts in) and I actually put in a little over 6 KWh (like around 6.3 when fully empty). So, I came up that $1.50 is a good estimate for the amount required to fully charge my car. I get 25 EV miles (no A/C and EV driving in mind.) Doubling that would give me a comparable number to MPG. So, $3 worth of charge for 50 miles of EV driving.

    Well, I pay around $3 (most of the time under) per gallon of regular gas here in central Florida since January. And my Hybrid MPG is around 65 miles per gallon. I have been driving Pruis since 2017 (my first Prius was a non-plug-in hybrid), and I learned all the tricks to max up the MPG. :cool:

    Well, I realized my car is more efficient when I drive it on hybrid mode and I switched to driving it in Hybrid mode since January. But this doesn't mean, I don't use the battery. I use about 5 KWh of charge per week. Combined with the gas, I get around 70-75 MPG and a tank of gas gets me around for 700 city miles (I pump around 9.5 to 10 gallons into an empty tank). It is crazy efficient, and I absolutely love it.

    The traction battery is very small in Gen4 Prime. It doesn't last long. And if you keep charging and only use the traction battery for EV driving, you may eventually start seeing that your battery will slowly degrade. Prius Prime is designed as a hybrid vehicle. Yes, they include a traction battery with some capacity to get us around, but I don't think the purpose of this vehicle was to let us drive it in all EV all the time. It cannot be very efficient this way. You carry that gas engine with you everywhere first of all. It is not there to carry around. You need to use it.

    If the purpose is to drive around in EV mode all the time, one should think about an EV vehicle instead of a hybrid one.

    With this said, your short daily commute of 3 miles is very ideal for using your vehicle in all EV mode (especially if you have solar panel on your roof or you have a way to charge it for free). There is nothing wrong with that. You don't want to run your gas engine for a few-mile of drive. It is not smart. But when it is time to travel or you need to drive it farther than (say 10-15 miles), you should gladly use the hybrid mode. That gas engine needs to run time to time. And your car is just as (if not more) efficient in the hybrid mode.
     
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    Had actually wanted to get a Prime with the solar roof, thought that was a really neat idea, but NOT having one wasn't a deal breaker. Especially when getting the one I ended up with got it to me in 2 weeks vs 8 or 9 months on a wait list (which was just going to add mileage to the RAV4).

    But the first thing I did was wait until I got my first full month electric bill to see how much it went up once I started charging the Prime every night. Went up about $27 that month, but figuring I was spending just over $50/month to fill the other car with gas, so was definitely coming out ahead. Even more so now given that I don't have to charge it up every night to bring it back to 100%.

    Had not planned on getting the job that was only three minutes from my house when I bought the car, it just sort of fell into my lap at a very good time. When I was still driving cross town those first few months, was regularly using at least a BIT of gas in it regularly, especially when it was cold outside, I'd burn through more charge during commute those days.

    Who knows, maybe I should have gone with something all electric, but just didn't figure the infrastructure was in place for it if I ever wanted to travel with it. And really didn't know I was only going to be three minutes from work starting in April. (Will say, really loving that commute though! Woohoo! Beats the hell out of the teeth grinding half hour commute in traffic every day)

    I guess maybe the thing to do is just not charge it, when it gets down to zero, drive it in hybrid mode for a while, until it uses up some gas and gives the engine more of a workout, and then charge it again.

    Never thought when I bought the car that treating it as an EV most of the time would be an issue, figured I'd EV it most times, and save the hybrid mode for longer drives.