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Does pornography "damage the brain"?

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  1. jared2

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    Activists Lament Porn's Move to Mainstream


    Sunday April 2, 2006 11:16 PM

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    By DAVID CRARY

    AP National Writer

    NEW YORK (AP) - The industry's VIPs mingle at political galas and Super Bowl parties. Their product is available on cell phones, podcasts, and particularly the Internet - there it's an attraction like no other, patronized by tens of millions of Americans.

    It's pornography. And if you're a consumer, John Harmer thinks you're damaging your brain.

    Harmer is part of a cadre of anti-porn activists seeking new tactics to fight an unprecedented deluge of porn which they see as wrecking countless marriages and warping human sexuality. They are urging federal prosecutors to pursue more obscenity cases and raising funds for high-tech brain research that they hope will fuel lawsuits against porn magnates.

    ``We don't think it's a lost cause,'' said Harmer, a Utah-based auto executive and former politician who's been fighting porn for 40 years.

    ``It's the most profitable industry in the world,'' he said. ``But I'm convinced we'll demonstrate in the not-too-distant future the actual physical harm that pornography causes and hold them financially accountable. That could be the straw that breaks their back.''

    The activists' adversary is a sprawling industry that, by some counts, offers more than 4 million porn sites on the Internet, that in the United States alone is estimated to be worth $12 billion a year. A tracking firm, comScore Media Metrix, says about 40 percent of Internet users in the United States visit adult sites each month.

    Porn products are featured at popular sex expositions and retail chains such as Hustler Hollywood. Major hotels provide in-room porn, and adult film stars are now mainstream celebrities. Mary Carey attended a VIP Republican fundraiser in Washington in mid-March; Jenna Jameson's ``How to Make Love Like a Porn Star'' hit the best-seller lists and she hosted a racy pre-Super Bowl party in Detroit in February.

    As much as there is national consensus on the evils of child pornography, there is none whatever on porn featuring adults and marketed to them. It's more pervasive than ever, yet activists and experts disagree bitterly over the extent of harm it causes.

    ``The form of entertainment is no problem,'' said Paul Cambria, general counsel for the porn industry's Adult Freedom Foundation. ``There are individuals who are going to react abnormally to normal material, but it's not a problem for the average person.''

    For every couple driven apart by porn, there are others whose relationship is enlivened, Cambria argued. He dismissed contentions that porn is highly addictive or brain-damaging.

    ``Some people lie about it,'' Cambria said. ``It's their way of excusing personally unacceptable conduct - 'It wasn't me, it was porn.'''

    Such attitudes infuriate experts on the other side who say online porn is as addictive as crack cocaine.

    ``The Internet is the perfect delivery system for anti-social behavior - it's free, it's piped into your house,'' said Mary Anne Layden, a psychologist and addiction expert at the University of Pennsylvania. ``Internet porn is probably the biggest miseducation system we can devise in terms of sexuality, misuse of women.''

    She says many of her patients, rather than improving their sex lives with porn, suffer sexual dysfunction.

    Interest in porn is age-old and normal, says psychologist David Greenfield of West Hartford, Conn., an expert on Internet behaviors, but it can become a destructive obsession for a minority who indulge in it at the expense of healthy relationships. Easy availability is part of the issue.

    ``It's not your father's porn,'' he said. ``With little or no effort, as long as you have a computer, you can access some of the most stimulating content on the planet. There's no delay, no person watching. It's designed to very quickly get to a point where you're not in full control.''

    He estimates that for up to 10 percent of porn users, relationships suffer - with many husbands spending so much time online that they cease to have sex with their wives.

    Divorce lawyers report that porn use is an increasingly common factor in marriage breakups: It can cause immense pain when a wife discovers her husband's porn habit.

    ``I compare it to your house burning down,'' said Laurie Hall, who divorced her husband after writing a book called ``An Affair of the Mind,'' about his 20-year obsession with porn.

    ``It destroys your sense of personhood when you bring all that you are into a relationship and someone chooses to ignore that,'' she said. ``It eats away at the heart of the family.''

    Across America, compulsive porn use has spawned hundreds of support groups, treatment programs and Web sites where heartbroken spouses - mostly wives - swap stories of their mates' obsessions.

    Polls suggest most Americans believe porn should be off-limits to minors and available legally for adults. But groups such as Morality in Media think the public favors tougher enforcement of obscenity laws against hard-core porn; it operates a Web site that forwards obscenity complaints to federal officials.

    ``We're not going to get rid of all of it, but we can push it back into the gutter as far as humanly possible,'' said Morality in Media president Robert Peters, a Dartmouth-educated attorney who struggled in his 20s to kick a porn habit that started in grade school.

    ``It was hell,'' said Peters, recalling a six-year stretch where he regularly visited porn outlets on New York's 42nd Street. ``It's a very hard habit to break.''

    Mark Laaser of Eden Prairie, Minn., says he frequently sought out pornography and engaged in extramarital sex for more than 20 years, starting in college and continuing through a career as pastor and counselor. He now runs workshops, and consults with church congregations on the issue.

    ``I've seen the damage it does to marriages, to families,'' he said.

    Though he stressed the need for individual willpower, Laaser also faulted the porn industry for employing aggressive online technologies that ``besiege you.''

    ``Sometimes it's not a matter of free will,'' he said. ``It's a matter of invasion.''

    Another self-described former addict is Phil Burress, head of a Cincinnati-based conservative group called Citizens for Community Values.

    Like many conservatives, he had hopes that the Bush administration would reverse Clinton White House policy and step up prosecutions of adult-porn obscenity cases as well as child porn cases. Thus far, Burress is disappointed.

    ``Five years into this administration, they get an F,'' he said.

    Still, Burress is encouraged by the recent formation of an FBI anti-obscenity squad and the appointment of Brent Ward, a former U.S. attorney who combatted porn in Utah, to head an obscenity prosecution task force.

    The Justice Department defends its record, saying it has indicted dozens of people on obscenity charges since 2001 and suggesting the pace will increase. But with a vast array of potential targets, and many other priorities, prosecutors must choose their battles carefully.

    One pending case involves obscenity charges against a California couple whose company sold pornographic videos depicting simulated rape and murder. The charges carry a maximum penalty of 50 years in prison plus $7.5 million in fines.

    The bottom line, perhaps, is that each side in the debate can make points that seem unassailable.

    ``Everyone agrees that tens of millions of Americans consume porn. ... ministers, PTA members, policemen, teachers, soldiers, dentists and Boy Scout leaders,'' argues California sex therapist Marty Klein. ``The overwhelming majority of them don't rape strangers or emotionally abandon their wives.''

    But Layden, the Penn addiction expert, refuses to see porn as mostly harmless.

    ``When I ask men who are sex addicts if they would want their wife or daughter to be in porn, 100 percent say, 'No,''' she said. ``They want it to be somebody else's wife or daughter. They know this material is damaging.''
     
  2. Mystery Squid

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    Like anything else, it can be abused, and negative resultants thereof can, and will, occur.
     
  3. jared2

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Apr 3 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]234240[/snapback]</div>
    "negative resultants" - please specify.
     
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    You are expected to do what you are told.

    Anything that interferes with that is 'bad', and must be banned.

    OK, when they generate huge amounts of tax money, they aren't THAT bad. However, if they tick-off your Religious Leader but don't have Alcohol, Tobacco, or Firearms-related issues, they will eventually be banned...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 3 2006, 02:36 PM) [snapback]234232[/snapback]</div>
    That quote oddly reminds me of that scene in Steve Martin's "The Jerk", where Carl Reiner is holding a lawsuit press briefing, takes off his glasses, turns to the camera, and demonstrates what the "Optigrab" has done to him: made him extremely cross-eyed....

    I guess Harmer is looking for a similar moment in front of the cameras, maybe showing hairy palms or something....
     
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    If this were true I would be in a coma by now... although I really do get tired of having to shave my palms every day.. :p
     
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    It's like drugs and alcohol... some dabble and some get possessed... I really think it attibutes to many of the more hideous crimes of sex and violence....

    I heard it can make your eyes bug out too?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 3 2006, 04:04 PM) [snapback]234378[/snapback]</div>
    I believe that the United States has the highest rate of sexual based crimes of all western countries and also has the most restrictions on porn. This seems to imply that puritanizing and demonizing sex leads to an increase in sexual crimes.
     
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    No, it damages the soul.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Apr 3 2006, 05:57 PM) [snapback]234422[/snapback]</div>

    Thats only the start.. it eats from the inside out....
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 4 2006, 01:17 AM) [snapback]234572[/snapback]</div>
    So that's why my stomach hurts! :D
     
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    That is ridiculous!

    Uh....what was this thread about again?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Hawk @ Apr 3 2006, 04:22 PM) [snapback]234387[/snapback]</div>
    What is your source for saying the US "has the most restrictions on porn"?

    Please define "puritanizing".

    Whom would you say is "demonizing" sex in the US?

    If there were a restriction on the accessibility to porn (say, for example, having to click a button that says you're 18 years old before you can get to a site), is that, to you, "demonizing"?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(windstrings @ Apr 3 2006, 04:04 PM) [snapback]234378[/snapback]</div>
    Please give examples of one or two of the "many" "more hideous crimes of sex and violence", compared to one or two that are LESS hideous.

    Exactly how, in biological terms, is it "like drugs and alcohol", for which physical bases of addiction can be adduced? Please contrast your answer to the case of someone who looks at porn frequently because he or she likes sex and/or likes watching others engage in it, or display their sexual organs. Also, please state how one could tell the difference between a person who is addicted to porn and one who is not addicted but enjoys looking at it frequently.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ghostofjk @ Apr 3 2006, 10:43 PM) [snapback]234579[/snapback]</div>

    You sound kinda like the guy who drinks cases of beer and enjoys it and doesn't realize he's and alcholic.

    Anything thats is a lure you will like, otherwise its not a lure... you can't tempt someone with chocolate cake that doesn't like cake.... you confuse the fact that you like it with its damaging effects...

    You sound like you live by the "if it feels good do it"....... all vices that destroy feels good.. otherwise no one getwould do it.. but when the paycheck comes down the pike and you pay the price of your vice, then its got you instead of you having it and you are under its power to serve it will all your life, time, energy, and money at the expense of everything else thats really valuable.

    If you don't see any of this.... you will not see it till you hit the wall... then it will all make sense.

    Kinda like smoking cigarettes for fun when your a kid..... 50 years later, its still got you. cigarettes is childs play compared to porn.
     
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    Okay, take the original posting, and substitute "television" for
    every occurrence of "porn". *Now* tell me whether or not we
    have a problem.
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    _H*
     
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    we also need to add prescription drugs (we all know which ones) and online gambling to the mix as well
     
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    On a related topic, should prostitution be legalized?
     
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    When you think something is 'bad', you easily spot the bad aspects. Same concept for 'good'. A corallary is, you will find it hard to find the alternate aspects (good in bad, bad in good) because that will interfere with your stance.

    So we have people deciding that certain thoughts involve "brain damage". What that means is, we told you to do something, and you didn't do it, so you are sick. We are not wrong, you are diseased. Usually this is crap.

    I believe that it is unacceptable for even a large group of people to punish other people's sins. Crimes may overlap sins, but you should still only punish crimes. Deciding to punish other people's sins is a sign of megalomania, and should NOT be encouraged. Creating crimes for the sole purpose of preventing sin should be avoided, since Free Will should mean something. Jealousy that God might forgive people anyway while you stayed pure is not a reason to punish them now. People should retain Free Will until they can be judged by the proper authority.

    Of course, since this interferes with some people's need to punish others, it will be ignored...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 4 2006, 06:33 AM) [snapback]234661[/snapback]</div>

    yes it should. being unregulated has been a disaster