Don't drink your milk...

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  1. finman

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    I've started reading an older (1983) book by Frank Oski - Don't Drink your Milk.

    wow, and I thought my other conspiracy realities were surreal!

    Any comments? (medical field, parent field, etc.)?

    And the Google links on the subject are amazing...what am I to do about my Ben and Jerry's fixation among other dairy items?

    It all makes sense, but the absolute non-sense (okay...lying) about the 'goodness' of cow-milk is sad. Once again, I can't trust ANY advertising. $$$ trumps the right thing over and over again.
     
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    My guess is that your "other conspiracy realities" ARE surreal. :p

    I haven't read the book myself, and know nothing about it, but, if I were to take a conspiracy theorist's stab at it, I'd guess the book is just a follow-on to the "Meat is Murder" hoopla.

    . . . which reminds me. I once saw a "Meat is Murder" sign pasted on a freeway off ramp traffic sign. Someone scrawled on it, "But starvation really sucks!!!" :lol:
     
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    Meat is murder
    Milk is molestation
    Eggs are abortion
    Honey is embezzlement
     
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    I don't see the problem.
     
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    Oh, you mean the ear-tube, snotty nose, special juice? As I recall Frank Oski was primarily concerned about young children. But what would he know about the effects of milk on children? He was just Chairman of Pediatrics at Johns Hopkins Medical School. Gotta watch out for those radicals at John Hopkins...

    I did a google on "frank oski milk". There's enough hits to keep anyone busy for a long time. Seems he really hit a nerve.

    There are multiple issues with regard to cow's milk. The first is that it isn't human mother's milk. The next issue is the nutritional appropriateness of cow's milk for humans. And a still separate issue is the behavior of the dairy industry.

    Somehow the dairy industry has adopted the benefits of mother's milk as if it applied to other species. Wrong. The proper milk for human babies is human milk, and then for just the first few years. Even if cow's milk were clean, the nutritional profile is designed to grow a 100 pound newborn animal into a 1000 pound animal in two years. It takes a different formula to grow a 7 pound newborn into a 150 pound 20 year old human.

    The dairy industry has done what all established industries have done. They've aggressively promoted their product, wrangled their way into the legal system, and marginalized their opponents. They've actually managed to identify their product as a basic human need, despite the fact that the majority of people who've ever lived never consumed any dairy. They're gaining in the duel with the sugar water industry.

    Frank Oski was right as far as he went. But that book is really dated. Today we have bovine growth hormone, extensive use of antibiotics, and mad cow disease. What are a few bacteria compared to these newer challenges?
     
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    Milk is not molestation if you have pet cows and you milk them using your hands (not machines).

    Eggs are not abortion if they are not fertilized. Like human females, hens don't need a male to produce eggs.

    Honey is not embezzlement if you wait until the bees abandon their hives.

    In today's meat/milk/other products business, everything said above by richard is true.
     
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    notmilk.com

    If you actually look at the research, you'll find a fair number of pediatricians that warn against dairy products.

    The above site has a lot of documented articles concerning why dairy is not something that people should consume.

    Personally, when I got off dairy, I found a great deal of my ailments vanishing... stuff that I'd suffered from for years, needlessly.
     
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    I never liked milk. My mom asked her doctor, and he said it was perfectly okay for me not to drink milk. But I had to spend alternate weekend's at my step-mother's house, and she forced me to drink the stuff. Step-mothers are evil. At least mine was. And having to drink milk was the least of what I suffered from her. But I was lucky. My step-brother became psychotic, and still is.
     
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    I just can't get over the old guy in the Got Milk commercial who loses his arms lifting a wheelbarrow.
     
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    OMG, I know I didn't have to read this but WTH are we going to drink with our Nestlies Tollhouse Chocolate Chip cookies?
     
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    Why, with Diet Coke of course.:party:
     
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    SoyDream or RiceDream doesn't have the same ring I guess.

    SoyDream and cookies, Santa would take the tree.
     
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    Dr. John McDougall has a saying about rich foods. They are not particularly harmful when consumed only on special occasions. The modern problem is that we celebrate Easter at breakfast, Thanksgiving at lunch, Christmas at dinner, and after that we have a birthday party.
     
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    Soy Dream has too much sugar in it. At least the vanilla does. The original has less, but doesn't taste all that great. I've given up milk and casein protein. Love 1% milk passionately, but I'm having a go to see if it helps my arthritis.
     
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    Dr. McDougall's vegan diet seems to help a lot of people with autoimmune diseases like arthritis, lupus, and others. The theory is that undigested animal protein gets into your blood, where the immune system forms antibodies to the foreign proteins. Through a process called mimicry, the antibodies mistakenly identify some of your own tissues as the same as the foreign proteins.

    So avoiding milk is only a partial approach to solving arthritis. Avoiding all animal products for several weeks would be a better test for a mimicry problem. If it works, then you can reintroduce individual foods slowly, watching for recurrence of the symptoms.

    My wife took a nutrition class from a nurse who had attended one of Dr. McDougall's live-in health clinics. The nurse had been totally disabled with rheumatoid arthritis, and was vehemently against the idea of a vegan diet. She actually went with a friend to protect her from the quack doctor. Well, as it turned out, she's now cured of her arthritis, and teaching anyone she can reach about the value of the diet. I would say that she's not cured - only 100% controlled. If she reverts to her former diet, then the arthritis will probably return.

    As for Dr. McDougall's diet, it's what I started with. It was my introduction to the idea that my food choices actually impact my health. These days I'm learning much more about Dr. Gabriel Cousins' approach to health. In earlier days I never would have considered Dr. Cousins' ideas - they were just too far from what I considered "real". Now if I could just get Dr. McDougall, Dr. Cousins, and my anti-aging doctor all together in the same room for a debate... About the only thing they all have in common is ego.
     
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    It seems the affect of dairy on people varies as much as anything varies with people (opinions, fingerprints, etc.)

    Yes, it's a dated book, but the google links are fairly eye-opening.

    It irks me that so much advertising "sells" people more than actual tests/science.

    Are we really the smarter species...or just more gullable?

    For me, milk (and dairy in moderation) works fine. Love my chai!

    but many of my older relatives and friends are off dairy and feeling MUCH better (less gastro problems).

    any other parents/medical staff comments? I'm neither, but am interested in those points of view.

    Yes, all the "reality" theories out there are plausible, especially if one sees where the $$$ are going.;)

    and another thought...just because our parents did it, doesn't mean it is right. Smoking anyone? Sure, it's safe AND good for you! Why is it so hard to change our ways?
     
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    I gave up milk last year and noticed a dramatic change in the number of pimples I get. (I'm 39 years old!) Instead of a new one every day or two I get a new one every 3-4 weeks or so. I wouldn't drink milk if you paid me, just for that reason, never mind that the factory dairy farm sickens me.
     
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    "I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!!!....I DRINK IT UP!!!!!!"
     
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    Look, advertisers wouldn't produce a commercial based on something that wasn't scientifically true. They would be opening themselves up to lawsuits and couldn't make any money. In order to even begin to create a commercial there has to be mountains of scientific data to base it on. If not then they would, in essence, be lying. Advertising agencies would never knowingly lie about a product or exaggerate it's qualities for fear of retribution from the masses. The backlash would be too great to bear. :eek:

    We ARE the most intelligent, just look at our commercials.

    LOL We can get anyone to believe and buy anything.
     
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