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Doonesbury comments on Republican 'Science'

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by EricGo, Mar 24, 2006.

  1. EricGo

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    Directly on point. When you don't like something, allege a "controversy" or "conflict."

    When an outcome does not meet your desires, ask for "sound science." All credible science is "sound" because science strives to prove itself false. Science only accepts what we cannot disprove and we keep testing. It is only those who politicize otherwise objective methods, that create a "controversy." Unknown to many, there are not "two sides" to science. Either you follow the scientific method and disprove the null hypothesis (being able to accept the research hypothesis) or you don't.
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    actually, science recently published an article remarking on governmental agencies' scientists seeing their data edited or suppressed in order to meet the current administration's agenda.

    shameful and disgusting. :angry:
     
  4. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    :angry: :angry: <_< :angry: :(

    'nuff said.
     
  5. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    if you think that is disgusting you should have seen 60 Minutes last week... OH WAIT

    they were talking about the same thing!~!

    this was concerning global warming...very very eye-opening...apparently, the cause of global warming is much more known than we have been led to believe
     
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    wow, the scientist looks just like bill clinton!
     
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    Thats hillarious and yet sadly true at the same time... I feel conflicted inside... :unsure:
     
  9. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    Dave, did the show give an "what you can do" or "what we can do about it" kinda info or was it just a sorta doomsday we're all f'd kinda thing?
     
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    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    actually, it was not a "what can you thing". that simply doesnt happen when talking about the government.

    the show was an FYI thing and the Doonesberry strip is no doubt the result of the information leaking out. basically, the government has been orchastrating a huge disinformation campaign over the root causes of global warming.

    it is now almost indisputable that our burning fossil fuels is greatly accelerating the global warming. couple that with the government's refusal to sign the Kyoto accord, and the reason for misleading the public becomes rather transparent
     
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    How long will it be until we're right back to, say, what the
    catholic inquisitors did to Galileo?
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    Superstitious twits. And they're the ones that go and BREED.
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    _H*
     
  12. TJandGENESIS

    TJandGENESIS Are We Having Fun Yet?

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    Oh well. I'll be dead in less then a hundred years. And I have no kids, so what do I care?

    I say, let the planet fry.






    (sad thing, I know a lot of people who think that way)
     
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    I told my self I wasn't going to get into anything,
    until I saw the Global Warming statment.

    Did you know the global warming started before automobiles?
    See below.

    Global Warming: A Chilling Perspective

    Global warming started long before the "Industrial Revolution" and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age-- a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.

    Earth's climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.

    Approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer it's end than it's beginning.

    Global warming during Earth's current interglacial warm period has greatly altered our environment and the distribution and diversity of all life. For example:


    Approximately 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.

    By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bearing Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America.

    Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth's temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet ! Forests have returned where once there was only ice.

    Do you want to see the scientific data?

    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

    Its Chicken Little again, (the sky is warming, the sky is warming)!
    If we are to continue brain washing everyone on the fact that we are going to fry if you do not stop driving your car or spraying hairspray . Then so be it Ill be dead and the rest can Freeze like the dinosaurs did...
     
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    Ohhhh, global warming occurs anyway. And the human race hasn't had any effect on it whatsoever? Wow. Considering that the only refutation of global warming has been that there isn't any real evidence that it is really occuring, it's predictable that they are now attempting to sneak in the goofball idea that global warming occurs anyway. You're using the very bullsh*t "science" that Doonesbury was lampooning. The topic is now complete. Thanks for giving us a real life example of just how effective the cons have been in brainwashing the public with junk science. Don't worry, be happy. :rolleyes:
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Yes, on a geologic time scale, glaciers come and go. Slowly. The problem with the recent global warming is how fast it's happening. As far as we know, temperatures have never before risen so quickly. Life is not able to keep up. Saying "I'll be dead. What do I care?" is very selfish and short sighted.
     
  16. Mystery Squid

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    That was rather reactionary... :lol:
     
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    Hate to rain on your parade, but the same anti-anthropogenic global-warming site includes this chart: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_50k_yrs.html

    Notice how the CO2 levels and the temperature changes are closely tied? Yes, it changes over the centuries, nobody knowledgable denies that. Now look at the left side where the modern CO2 levels are an upward smudge above historical levels. What do you guess that will be doing to the temperature? This is the scientific data from a site you reference, and apparently trust. Tell me it doesn't concern you.

    (Pretty much the same data is at http://www.planetforlife.com/gwarm/glob400000.html, but with a different explanation)

    nerfer
     
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    Who is "geocraft"? The site seems unattributed (no "about us" or intros). Is it a political site purporting to be a scientific site?
     
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    HEY, you beat me to it !

    Anyway, Monte Hieb is an engineer with (in the past ?) the WV bureau of mines. Coal seems to be an interest of his.

    A fellow named Jim Norton who has a B.Sc in Enviro Science took the required couple minutes to debunk Hieb's rant.