Engine of the year... AGAIN!

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  1. PriusOwner004

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusOwner004 @ Sep 1 2007, 04:25 PM) [snapback]505536[/snapback]</div>

    What a slanderous comment. I guess since there are so many running around with 300 to 500,000 miles on them they are bad?????

    Who is the leader in this article???? Bloomberg
     
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    The Civic Hybrid is a beautiful car, if you don't mind taking two and a half hours to accelerate from 0 to 45 mph. Or if you don't mind your head touching the roof of the car, in case you're over 6.2, or if you don't mind not having any power should you ever need an extra burst of power in an emergency or passing. And on top of that if you don't mind getting fuel economy similar to that of many other regular gas cars, sure, the Civic is a brilliant car, full of brilliant, high end, top of the line technology.
     
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    Time to get your head out of your Prius and look around objectively! The Civic is a nice Hybrid design. It gets very close to Prius mileage. Yes, the Prius does better, but only 10% or so. A Prius Touring model would be very close mileage wise to the Civic Hybrid.

    The Civic engine is well known as a "good design". The hybrid technology is not up to the standards of the Prius, if that is what you are commenting on. But you said "the engine", not the hybrid system.

    As far as commenting on the body design, this is apples to oranges. The Prius is a mid-sized car, the Civic Hybrid is a compact car. Different, eh! ;)

    I think they are both good designs.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David Beale @ Sep 1 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]505603[/snapback]</div>
    I agree they are both good designs, but as an engineer I actually feel the Civic is more elegant. It seems a great deal cheaper to implement, almost to the level of simply putting on a honkin' starter motor. Of course, I prefer the Prius's revolutionary approach, but as the Honda's evolutionary approach just screams good solid engineering. If the battery cost issue were dealt with, there is no reason that every car couldn't be a mild hybrid like the Civic. That's degree of applicability is a powerful design. The Prius is a work of art, but being a ground-up built hybrid is both its biggest asset and greatest liability, in the engineering-influence sense.

    The initial killer for me when shopping was the Honda Hybrid's rear seat did not fold down. As this is our big-stuff hauling car, that was just Not OK.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusOwner004 @ Sep 1 2007, 05:38 PM) [snapback]505583[/snapback]</div>
    Driving a Prius and putting down other cars is no better than driving some other car and putting down the Prius.

    This is why I have no problem with people who keep telling me diesels are cleaner and more fuel-efficient than the Prius. Ignoring the details behind the remarks, all I say is "isn't competition wonderful?"
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David Beale @ Sep 1 2007, 08:12 PM) [snapback]505603[/snapback]</div>
    Absolutely not true. Have you scientifically tested Touring and regular? Do you have any other kind of proof of that? Mileage is the same between the Touring and the regular Prius.

    I've an 07 touring and get the same mileage as my old regular Prius.

    Try averaging 62 mpg out of a Civic in the city. Just ain't gonna work!

    Civic is crap, Prius is a technological wonder. And until Honda can do something about it, learn to live with it.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zqfmbg @ Sep 1 2007, 10:14 PM) [snapback]505649[/snapback]</div>

    There are good cars and there are bad cars. Can you argue with that? Is a Kia as technologically advanced as a Rolls Royce? No. Is a Civic as good of a car as a Prius. No. Simple as that. This is not an opinion, it's a fact.

    Prius: Power
    Civic: A lot Less Power

    Prius: Best Fuel Economy
    Civic: Inferior Fuel Economy

    Facts, not opinions.

    In case you missed the article, allow me to give you the link to it again: http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/...7/bestfuel.html

    Let's see how many points the Prius got and how many points the Civic got.
     
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    Every car is balance of comprimises in design. Some cars are crap. The Civic hybrid is not one of them. You are calling the car with the second place engine crap?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusOwner004 @ Sep 1 2007, 08:34 PM) [snapback]505663[/snapback]</div>
    You're being a little hasty. You list two subjective metrics and then state that they are sufficient to form a fact. Guess what -- you haven't formed a fact. You've only formed an opinion.

    You think the Prius is better than the Civic because of two things. There are many other metrics of comparison. For a given person some metrics will be important and some won't. I know quite a few people who think the Civic is a better-looking car than the Prius. Roll my eyes a bit, yeah, but that's their opinion, and I have less of a problem with them than I have with you because, unlike you, they don't confuse facts with opinions.

    I would go so far as to assert that you must have some kind of an insecurity problem because you have to go on at length about how something so obviously sucks and something that you picked is so much better. Grow up.
     
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    Alright... Dowsing myself in gasoline preparing to get torched, but here goes.
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusOwner004 @ Sep 1 2007, 04:25 PM) [snapback]505536[/snapback]</div>
    100% Highway driving, Civic smokes the Prius.

    Ouch... that really really hurt. I've seen HCH's clock in at 65mpg for hundreds of miles on the highway. I really gotta baby my Prius to score 65mpg on a pure highway tank.

    As for the 0-45 mph in two hours. Sounds good to me. Wish my Prius had a 900cc instead of a 1497cc engine in it. Got too much power as it is. Although, I think the HCH probably has similar power capabilities to the Prius, but having never floored the Prius, I wouldn't know.

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dan. @ Sep 2 2007, 02:55 AM) [snapback]505731[/snapback]</div>
    I could see the Civic beating the Prius on the highway. A combination of the car weighing a little bit less and the engine being a little bit smaller at 1.3 L. Plus, I've always said that Honda's design played to their expertise in engine technology, while Toyota's design plays to their growing expertise on the electric side of things.

    I still think that going forward, Honda's IMA system is going to have a tough time evolving compared to true to goodness full hybrid systems, but Honda's system shows what can be done with current ICEs today. IMA in the Civic is a good system.

    The Prius still fits me better, though, as the majority of my driving is non-highway. I think that the engine award was given to the Prius engine with this in mind.
     
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    Tastes great!

    or

    Less Filling!

    This thread is crap. :lol:
     
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    I love my Prius, but calling the second place HCH "crap"? <_<
    Was there a bad history between you and Honda?

    Just the other day, the three bolts inside my left-side mirror were broken by my
    slight over-tightening. Dealer told me that I had to buy the whole set (costing $300). Yeah, right!
    I could have called Prius "crap" at that moment, but I knew better than that.
    I found a way to tighten them up with replacement bolts from Home Depot.

    Fact: Last time I check, 0-60mph, HCH is only slightly slower than Prius.
    But, if I want to enjoy 0-60mph, I won't find myself in my Prius. I will take my
    10 year old BMW 540iA with 4.4L V8, 0-60mph in 5.9sec, instead of 10-11secs. :D
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(zqfmbg @ Sep 2 2007, 01:18 AM) [snapback]505715[/snapback]</div>

    Yes, I do have an insecurity issue because of the size of my penis, but what does that have to do with anything?

    Why did you chose a Prius over a Civic, if you didn't think that the Prius is the superior car?
    Sell your piece of crap Prius and buy a beautiful, state of the art, ultra high tech, top of the line, high end, gas saving, powerhouse CIVIC! Go for it, baby! Go for it!!

    I test drove the Civic after I test drove the Prius. It took what it felt like hours to go from 0 to 45 compared to the Prius. At the end of the test drive I got 38 mpg in the city, as opposed to 53 with the Prius (eventually after I mastered P&G, now I'm averaging 62 mpg - impossible in the Civic).

    The Civic didn't come second. Getting a few points less than the Prius would've meant second. The Civic got 50% less points than the Prius, that means it's crap - that's the technical definition of the word crap. Look it up.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dan. @ Sep 2 2007, 01:55 AM) [snapback]505731[/snapback]</div>
    You're not gonna get torched, because everyone would think you're an idiot after reading what you just wrote and people in general feel bad for idiots.

    The Civic gets 48 mpg on the Highway, the Prius gets 53, doing the same speed, same stretch of road. "65 mpg for hundreds of miles" in the Civic is a lie. So no, you're not an idiot, you're a liar. So yes, we should torch you. I stand corrected.

    P.S. It's great to see that so many other Prius owners are as excited about the Prius getting the engine award again as me!! With a fan base like that, you'd wonder how did the Prius ever get so popular..
     
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    Wow.
    I'm not really sure what to do here.

    On the one hand, PriusOwner really loves his Prius and I can't fault that because I really love mine.
    On the other, I would hesitate before calling another hybrid a piece of crap.

    When asked why I bought the Prius instead of the Civic, the answer is simple: hatchback and folding seats. It had nothing to do with mileage and series-versus-parallel hybrid systems.

    At all the hybrid events I've attended, I've seen - literally - the entire mixture of different makes and models. They are different in shape, size, utility and mileage. But there is one thing that holds true: the owners of their hybrids have made a stance; they have taken that first and most important step; they have voiced their opinion and forced the automobile manufacturers to take notice.

    And who the Hell do we think we are to tell them that their efforts are wasted, their opinions are flawed, and their cars are crap?
    That sort of sounds like all the Prius Bashing I've been hearing for the last three years of ownership. Is this what we've become?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusOwner004 @ Sep 2 2007, 04:19 AM) [snapback]505764[/snapback]</div>
    Gee, since I raise an objection with you, I must disagree completely with your point, right? :rolleyes:

    You're taking an existing opinion of yours and attempting to justify it with little facts that aren't even necessarily facts. If you came here and said "the Prius feels more powerful than the Civic", I would have no problem with it. If you said "the Prius gets better fuel economy than the Civic", I would have no problem with it.

    But you take those two things and the results of a opinion poll and then declare that the Civic is crap and that "it's a fact". And that is what I have a problem with.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusOwner004 @ Sep 2 2007, 04:19 AM) [snapback]505764[/snapback]</div>
    Oh, we like the Prius, all right. We're just not stupid about it.
     
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    The Civic gets 48 mpg on the Highway, the Prius gets 53, doing the same speed, same stretch of road. "65 mpg for hundreds of miles" in the Civic is a lie. So no, you're not an idiot, you're a liar. So yes, we should torch you.


    Dude! You evidently worked for Honda and was FIRED!!

    If Dan is an idiot, I'm a double idiot! I OWN a 05 Prius, 07 HCHII, and a 00 Insight. The Insight is my favorite hands down for getting the best mileage. I drive it daily to and from work. If I want to haul stuff. I drive the truck. (Prius)

    If I want to go for a cruise, I drive the HCH.


    By the way, see if you can find the mid 90's grade school definition of a "dude."
     
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