Escape-Hybrid observations

im glad ford is using hybrid technology like this...

At least some american companies are trying to figure out a better way to move our cars...

Yes, the prius is still a lot better, but at least they are trying. I give them credit.

 

its too bad that ford is suffering vendor problems much like Toyota has.

my sister works at the ford dealer in town and they arent receiving any kind of schedule on hybrid deliveries.

so far, they have received 3... all of which came unannounced, all were sold the first day on the lot and each has gone for a $9k premium. because of the fact that they are not taking a waiting list, its first come, first serve. a few times they had been told that they would receive a "shipment" of hybrids... however, none have materialized.

the Prius has been allocated to this area in numbers that are most likely far above most of the country, but it looks like as the ford hybrid goes, we are just like everyone else.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a\";p=\"52408)</div>

John -- you reall must stop tormenting the people over on the escape forum. I feel badly towards them for sending you over in the first place!

Most reviews of the Escape comment on the fact that the reviewer can't tell when the engine comes on and turns off.

Most of the owners over there can tell when their engines do come on or go off.

Guess what... most Prius owners can tell when the engine goes on or off too, because we're familiar with our cars the same way the Escape Hybrid owners are familiar with theirs.

You read too much into their chatter.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a\";p=\"52466)</div>

Did you even read what I wrote? About both Prius and Escape owners noticing when their engines come on? Any of it?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a\";p=\"52486)</div>

That's why you've stirred up a bit of resentment over there. You make these sweeping statements which aren't necessarily true (and in a lot of cases, are blatantly untrue) and when they call you on them, you go off on these weird tangents which have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I'll ask again, did you read my first message, the part about both Prius and Escape owners "knowing" when their engine comes on because of their familiarity with the car, and the part where Escape reviewers (in newspapers and magazines) can't tell at all?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a\";p=\"52566)</div>

Great, right. Lovely. I'm not saying there are differences in design, but I'm saying they're NOT what you're saying they are. I see observations from FE owners on how hard it is to keep the car in stealth, just like Prius owners. The car does *NOT* seem to operate as you described in the first message based on owner comments.

And while it is lacking Electric A/C, a glaring omission IMO, it is a much more compact and well thought out design than HSD. I don't think they'll have any worries with the RX400 and Highlanders.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(john1701a\";p=\"52584)</div>

John -- Stop freakin assuming! Perhaps *I* shiould point out that my observations were probably based on the same sources yours were. This is why you're not very popular over there. You assume too much and make these baseless statements.

Stop spreading misinformation(at best) about the escape hybrid.

 

Were it to come to a popularity contest between john1701a and Jonnycat26, in my not so humble opinion, john1701a would win hands down.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius\";p=\"52639)</div>

Fantastic. Unfortunately, this isn't a popularity contest.

This is about the spread of misinformation. This is about going into the community of another hybrid and annoying the hell out of them. I'm responsible for that, since I gave John the link. I'm trying to get him to scale it down a notch and *not* annoy them so much, and stop him from spreading incorrect assumptions. Tell me, is that really so bad?

 

I vote for Jonnycat26. :mrgreen:

 

And I vote for Danny... Now lets everyone move on!

 

John...

All I will say is this, then if you want to continue, please email me. There's no need for this to continue here. And to be honest, I don't know how I can get through to you.

Look at what you've stirred up over there. Look at how many people jumped on you over the bladder issue. Now go over to the other prius forum, and read about an *actual* escape hybrid owner's experience. When I asked if the car stayed in EV mode as much as possible, which was the original point of this thread, he said it did not. As did those posters. You've taken the information that ONE poster provided, and gone off and made this huge leap in logic.

You need to think about what you're doing over there. You're stepping in to an established community over there and some people aren't going to be happy about that. The fact that you're making gross assumptions about their cars (bladder again) and presenting it as fact is for sure going to annoy those people who have the tech manuals and point out you're wrong. And when you refused to admit to them that you were mistaken, you made yourself a very questionable figure.

 

John, you really need to work on your people/communication skills. You have a great talent for rubbing people up the wrong way.

Although I respect the work you've put into your Prius web site, your slightly surreal sermonising does get rather annoying. And that's just on the Prius forums. I bet it doesn't go down well on an Escape forum.