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  1. Arizona Charlie

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    FRODO FAILED.
    BUSH GOT THE RING.
     
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    Love it, I'm sending away for 10 of them right now.
     
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    Republicans qwn Prii too!
     
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    Hey! You got it wrong! Bush IS Frodo! Defeated the Evil Souros twice! And banished Alex Baldwin and Barbra Streisand from Middle Earth (the Red states) forever!

    It's Over! The good guys won-again! And all the elitist whining in the world will not change it.

    Now, Let's get back to talking about our wonderful cars, including mine with the big "W" sticker in the back next to my "Darwin" fish.
     
  6. IsrAmeriPrius

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sailboss\";p=\"59886)</div>
    I saw this elsewhere. I decided to post it here to provide some perspective on your "good guys won-again" comment:

    Tonight, I join ranks of those who are angry, because I have watched as the faith I love has been taken over by fundamentalists who claim to speak for Jesus, but whose actions are anything but Christian.

    We've heard a lot lately about so-called "moral values" as having swung the election to President Bush. Well, I'm a great believer in moral values, but we need to have a discussion, all over this country, about exactly what constitutes a moral value -- I mean what are we talking about?

    Because we don't get to make them up as we go along, especially not if we are people of faith. We have an inherited tradition of what is right and wrong, and moral is as moral does.

    Let me give you just a few of the reasons why I take issue with those in power who claim moral values are on their side:

    -- When you start a war on false pretenses, and then act as if your deceptions are justified because you are doing God's will, and that your critics are either unpatriotic or lacking in faith, there are some of us who have given our lives to teaching and preaching the faith who believe that this is not only not moral, but immoral.

    -- When you live in a country that has established international rules for waging a just war, build the United Nations on your own soil to enforce them, and then arrogantly break the very rules you set down for the rest of the world, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you claim that Jesus is the Lord of your life, and yet fail to acknowledge that your policies ignore his essential teaching, or turn them on their head (you know, Sermon on the Mount stuff like that we must never return violence for violence and that those who live by the sword will die by the sword), you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you act as if the lives of Iraqi civilians are not as important as the lives of American soldiers, and refuse to even count them, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you find a way to avoid combat in Vietnam, and then question the patriotism of someone who volunteered to fight, and came home a hero, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you ignore the fundamental teachings of the gospel, which says that the way the strong treat the weak is the ultimate ethical test, by giving tax breaks to the wealthiest among us so the strong will get stronger and the weak will get weaker, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you wink at the torture of prisoners, and deprive so-called "enemy combatants" of the rules of the Geneva convention, which your own country helped to establish and insists that other countries follow, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you claim that the world can be divided up into the good guys and the evil doers, slice up your own nation into those who are with you, or with the terrorists -- and then launch a war which enriches your own friends and seizes control of the oil to which we are addicted, instead of helping us to kick the habit, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you fail to veto a single spending bill, but ask us to pay for a war with no exit strategy and no end in sight, creating an enormous deficit that hangs like a great millstone around the necks of our children, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you cause most of the rest of the world to hate a country that was once the most loved country in the world, and act like it doesn't matter what others think of us, only what God thinks of you, you have done something immoral.

    -- When you use hatred of homosexuals as a wedge issue to turn out record numbers of evangelical voters, and use the Constitution as a tool of discrimination, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you favor the death penalty, and yet claim to be a follower of Jesus, who said an eye for an eye was the old way, not the way of the kingdom, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you dismantle countless environmental laws designed to protect the earth which is God's gift to us all, so that the corporations that bought you and paid for your favors will make higher profits while our children breathe dirty air and live in a toxic world, you have done something immoral. The earth belongs to the Lord, not Halliburton.

    -- When you claim that our God is bigger than their God, and that our killing is righteous, while theirs is evil, we have begun to resemble the enemy we claim to be fighting, and that is immoral. We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

    -- When you tell people that you intend to run and govern as a "compassionate conservative," using the word which is the essence of all religious faith-compassion, and then show no compassion for anyone who disagrees with you, and no patience with those who cry to you for help, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you talk about Jesus constantly, who was a healer of the sick, but do nothing to make sure that anyone who is sick can go to see a doctor, even if she doesn't have a penny in her pocket, you are doing something immoral.

    -- When you put judges on the bench who are racist, and will set women back a hundred years, and when you surround yourself with preachers who say gays ought to be killed, you are doing something immoral.

    I'm tired of people thinking that because I'm a Christian, I must be a supporter of President Bush, or that because I favor civil rights and gay rights I must not be a person of faith.

    I'm tired of people saying that I can't support the troops but oppose the war -- I heard that when I was your age, when the Vietnam war was raging.
    We knew that that war was wrong, and you know that this war is wrong--the only question is how many people are going to die before these make-believe Christians are removed from power?

    This country is bankrupt. The war is morally bankrupt. The claim of this administration to be Christian is bankrupt. And the only people who can turn things around are people like you--young people who are just beginning to wake up to what is happening to them. It's your country to take back. It's your faith to take back. It's your future to take back.

    Don't be afraid to speak out. Don't back down when your friends begin to tell you that the cause is righteous and that the flag should be wrapped around the cross, while the rest of us keep our mouths shut.

    Real Christians take chances for peace. So do real Jews, and real Muslims, and real Hindus, and real Buddhists--so do all the faith traditions of the world at their heart believe one thing: life is precious. Every human being is precious. Arrogance is the opposite of faith. Greed is the opposite of charity. And believing that one has never made a mistake is the mark of a deluded man, not a man of faith.

    Dr. Robin Meyers
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    November 14, 2004
     
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    Thank you IsrAmeriPrius.
     
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    Well, in my humble opinion, Mr. Meyers is full of crap. If this was political forum I would take every single argument of his and tear it to pieces.

    But since this is NOT a political forum, let's get back talking about Prius, shall we??
     
  9. V8Cobrakid

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    I agree too. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Moved to FHOP due to off topic discussion. (bumper stickers, politics)
     
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    Okay, Where are the moderators? Once again the politically-offended (probably including me) have invaded the main forum with back-door political discussions.

    As I said before, drop the crap and talk about the cars. Or move it to Fred's where the rest of us don't have to listen to your humorless, hatred-filled whining.
     
  12. V8Cobrakid

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    You may want to look up. Wolfman just moved it to Freds. So, now it's a free for all. Keep it decent gentlemen.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sailboss\";p=\"59984)</div>
    We are here. We just may not get to a thread to move it, lock it, or delete it as soon as the first post is made.
     
  14. V8Cobrakid

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    I'm only a moderator to my froum, or else i would have done it for you.
     
  15. IsrAmeriPrius

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    Hypocrites

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sailboss\";p=\"59984)</div>
    People who live in glass houses should not cast stones.
     
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    If more people actually practiced their faith, as compared to simply espousing to belong to a certain group, the world would be a much better place.
    Thank God I believe in evolution.
     
  17. daniel

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    Thank you IsrAmeriPrius.

    I will add something I have said elsewhere: If Bush was a Christian, no child would ever go to bed hungry in this wealthiest of all nations. Period. Sadly, he is not. Nor are any of his cronies. Nor are any of the people who voted for him.

    But to be fair, neither are the Democrats, who are only marginally less greedy, marginally less anti-environmental, and no less militaristic than the Republicans.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sailboss\";p=\"59886)</div>
    You should note how much that "W" looks like an imperial sigil. It especially resembles the Napoleonic "N". Then go read how Washington (the real "W" of American politics) warned against the dangers of an imperial Presidency.

    ObPriusContent: your president thinks that we're all fuzzy-minded liberal wimps for driving Prii.
     
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    One might also read how back in the 1930's, a philosophy of "corporatism" was spreading. The notion at the time was that the interests of the corporations was paramount and everything that could be done by governments to help corporations was great.

    (I happen to believe that the soul of America comes from the masses, NOT the corporate elite. That's why I so very much fear the success of the Republicans.)

    Later, the term "corporatism" was changed and they used a new word to describe this philosophy. One of the men widely credited for the word change was the leader of Italy at the time. The new word was fascism. His name was Mussolini. The new word replaced the old one, but the philosophy was the same. Sadly, the word fascism has become entwined with the word genocide, thus it opens a pandoras box whenever we try to use it today in it's original economic context.


    Now back in the 20s and 30s, many pro corporatists wrote that one of the biggest hindrances to the spread of corporatism was civil liberties and the rule of law. And "super patriotism" was one of their tools to foster their movement. And if someone questioned your motives, you simply called them traitors. The phrase "My country, love it or leave it," has at it's core a basic fascist concept.

    Now, doesn't this make one wonder about how history repeats itself?

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look this stuff up. Just put corporatism and fascism into a google search.
     
  20. daniel

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    I agree with Prius04. Except for the implied suggestion that the Democrats are somehow less corporatist than the Republicans. Well, okay, they are marginally less so, but only marginally. Both parties serve the rich.