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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Jeff Cobb's excellent source: February 2016 Dashboard

    Model 16_02 16_01 15_12 15_11
    1 Prius Liftback 7169 6333 10153 8287
    2 Ram Pickup Diesel 4153 3193 4531 3848
    3 RAV4 2462 1973 1430 64
    4 Prius c 2263 1763 2861 2601
    5 Model S 1900 1300 3500* 3100
    6 Fusion Hybrid 1764 1373 1960 1388
    7 Camry Hybrid 1599 1256 1861 1964
    8 Sonata 1588 964 1138 931
    9 Volt 1126 996 2114 1980
    10 Prius v (lowercase v for the Prius v wagon) 1112 1205 2040 1643
    11 Fusion Energi 932 581 1058 944
    12 Leaf 930 755 1347 1054
    13 C-Max Hybrid 880 637 837 815
    14 CT200h 762 622 1464 984
    15 RX 400 / 450 h 752 790 1493 958
    16 ES Hybrid 633 622 1443 833
    17 Avalon Hybrid 590 583 933 798
    18 MKZ 585 491 867 676
    19 Model X 500 400 177 15
    20 C-Max Energi 490 350 579 639
    21 Colorado Diesel 403 108
    22 Highlander Hybrid 396 375 516 318
    23 Optima Hybrid 386 469 870 844
    24 X5 345 181 607 167
    25 Range Rover Sport 308 272 417
    26 Grand Cherokee Diesel 308 263 420 341
    27 Range Rover 301 366 387 283
    28 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 278 261 425 319
    29 A3 Plug In 248 327
    30 i3* 248 182 1422 723
    31 NX Hybrid 236 245 364 196
    32 Canyon Diesel 225 50 0 0
    33 Spark 216 139 152 166
    34 Q50 Hybrid 202 175 281 189
    35 Sonata Plug In 200 175
    36 e-Golf 198 328 609 472
    37 500e 195 217 174
    38 XC90 Plug In 176 226 74 7
    39 Cayenne S E-Hybrid 172 146 137 121
    40 X5 Diesel 169 25 207 525
    41 GL-Class Diesel 146 149 284 258
    42 Civic Hybrid 143 161 263 239
    43 QX60 Hybrid 137 119 249 149
    44 X3 Diesel 130 60 186 103
    45 CR-Z 128 192 316 236
    46 3-Series Diesel 119 69 247 188
    47 ELR 91 67 135 67
    48 Lacrosse Hybrid 87 118 145 194
    49 GLE-Class Diesel 86 117 215 185
    50 Focus EV 81 66 96 93
    51 Pathfinder Hybrid 72 65 84 102
    52 Accord Hybrid 68 71 223 289
    53 5-Series Diesel 67 51 215 85
    54 Soul EV 60 81 96 83
    55 forTwo EV 54 48 179 178
    56 i8 54 32 656 118
    57 Jetta Hybrid 39 46 65 52
    58 B-Class Electric 37 58 97 41
    59 E-Class Diesel 36 52 82 100
    60 S550 Plug In 36 19 35 21
    61 Cruze Diesel 35 41 69 218
    62 Panamera S E-Hybrid 33 27 16 33
    63 Promaster Van Diesel 30 21 43 28
    64 ML Class Diesel 17 5 16 7
    65 RLX Hybrid 12
    66 GLK Class Diesel 10 11 24 33
    67 Q70 Hybrid 10 10 16 14
    68 Regal Hybrid 7 3 8 9
    69 Prius Plug In 6 10 22 44
    70 GS 450h 5 5 3 5
    71 i 5 2 9 4
    72 Impala Hybrid 4 12 12 1
    73 LS 600h 2 3 3 0
    74 Insight 0 19 22 30
    75 Cayenne Diesel 0 18 76 176
    76 Q5 Hybrid 0 3 13 7
    77 7-Series Diesel 0 2 14 1
    78 Civic (CNG) 0 1 25 0
    79 ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih) 0 1 7 2
    80 7-Series ActiveHybrid 0 1 1 0
    81 Ioniq SaFSN SaFSN SaFSN


    * - Tesla Model S sales shown as 3500** that left a cell initially blank.
     
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    RAV4 Hybrid is No. 2 (ex RAM diesel)...that's big

    OK so we have a new Toyota Hybrid RAV4 (abbrev. R4H?) so that is stealing some Prius v sales. If we add RAV4 + Prius sales it's not too bad for Toyota hybrid sales overall, considering the low gaso prices.
     
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    As a general rule of thumb, a new car has about 3-4 months of outstanding sales before it slides down to its regular position in the pack. I would hold off on reading too much into the RAV4 results but they do look (and I like) good. Considering how the Highlander has been under performing . . . it is a good start.

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    The Highlander is available only in the overpriced Limited trim. Poor sales shouldn't be a surprise.

    Keep in mind that February had the all those Presidents' day sales.
     
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    Of course so many people are 'Waiting for Godot' and his Ioniq which must have crushed December through February Prius sales. <GRINS>

    Bob Wilson

    A little late, here are the charts:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

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    i'll be interested in 02/16 vs 02/15.
     
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    if you look at hybrid and phev fusion (hybrid + energi) you get 2696 which is
    232 more than rav4 if you count that way ;-) far behind the 7169 for the prius liftback even without counting the wagon (prius v).

    I would say combination of low gas prices and the rav4 hybrid/nxh combo, should keep rxh/hihy sales low. If you want gas milage people are down sizing from the medium sized to the still very big cute utes (rav4, cr-v, escape).
    Compare Side-by-Side



    I mean the hihy has an expensive hybrid system that beats the cr-v by only 1 mpg. If that 1 mpg is important the 5 that the lower priced rav4-hybrid should draw off hihy/rxh buyers.

    I think the missing hybrids are lack of national availablity of the gen IV prius. The ioniq is only supposed to sell 77,000 world wide in hybrid, phev, and bev form. That means maybe 4000/month in the us on average, or only a few hundred more than the fusion in a bad month like feb.
     
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    Japan February 2016 Sales
    #1 Toyota Prius - 19,010
    #2 Toyota Aqua - 14,010
    #3 Honda Fit - 10,013
    #4 Nissan Note - 9,800
    #5 Toyota Sienta - 8,308

    Japan January 2016 Sales
    #1 Prius Toyota - 21,036
    #2 Aqua Toyota - 12,720
    #3 Sienta Toyota - 9,814
    #4 Note Nissan - 8,335
    #5 Fit Honda - 7,291
     
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    That is shown by Jeff Cobb here:
    February 2016 Dashboard

    Liftback up 1.5% or so
     
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    thanks. looking at everything, 2016 vs 2015 looks pathetic. and that's with a much milder winter in the north.
    volt and fusion energy look fabulous. i can understand volt with new model boost, but whats going on with fusion?
     
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    Near as I can tell, the earliest PriusChat buyers were the second week of leap-year, February. My local visits didn't find a Gen-4 Prius until the third attempt. It will take 30-45 days to clear the Gen-3s and build up an inventory of Gen-4 against the Prius sales.

    Actually, I was poking fun at the recent Ioniq thread:
    It so reminds me of the 1980s "Beta release" articles or the play,'Waiting for Godot.' But I've always enjoyed the absurd including movies such as "If" "Catch-22" and "Putney Swope" and four years in the Marine Corps.

    Regardless of what entertains me, my understanding is by the end of March, the Ioniq may actually be on stage . . . in effect where the Gen-4 was in September 2015. If past is prologue, the Ioniq should have:
    • March 2016 - "stage release" (Sept for Gen-4)
    • May 2016 - "press drive day" (Nov for Gen-4)
    • August 2016 - "first sales" (Feb for Gen-4)
    As for the Prius hatchback sales, there are rumors we may see gas prices rise . . . just in time for the usual, annual price increases as the Summer season approaches. Also a perfect time to help increase Gen-4 sales if Prius sales are partially driven by increases, not just the absolute gasoline price. <grins>

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    I give up trying to understand since I figure FORD and GM know what's going on but they are not telling the public. Normally what I seem to see is huge California sales first quarter/first half of year, and later in the year a little more spread out. So after March 31 we can see if these PHEV sales are high in CA (PHEV was 65% CA last year!). Is that when lease companies buy the cars? who knows
     
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    The reason I look at the four month trend is to avoid single data point errors:
    • one month does not a trend make
    • comparing month-on-month over a year is too long to see an early trend
    So patience makes sense and April will be here soon enough.

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    i'm very patient, but we goota talk about something in the meanwhile.:)
     
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    How about the 'Urba Centurion' ?

    [​IMG]
    (WARNING: objects closer appear larger than in real life.)

    Slap in some LiON batteries, motor, and controller and it would be just a great as the original Fisker.

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    someone bought an odd car like that a year or two ago, to convert to ev. an old saab or volvo or something. but i haven't seen any progress reports. otoh, we should be right around the corner from bill resuming the firebrid project.
     
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    PHEV sales were 65% in CA last year.
    Hybrid sales got up to 31% in CA alone in 2015.
    Gotta believe we could hit 40% hybrids in CA this year or next.
     
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    When are people going to wake up, and change regulations. Basically cali is jacking up the price of gas, but the money is magically disapearing.

    Yikes don't people know diesels are dead for sportscars. That thing looks like a porsche and delorean mated in the 80s and the doctor was too scared to just let the baby die. The bmw i8 and 330e are the cars fisker hoped to make.
     
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