Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

You realize you just sent us to a link for a controversial news source owned by a very controversial media conglomerate right? lol

I'm all for new evidence but I'm not about to try an obtain it from a newspaper or hyperbole ridden news source with an agenda. Instead I'll keep an eye on the papers that are published and the comments from other scientists concerning ones that are not published.

 

I honestly couldn't tell you if Prof. Russell is a fraud or not. I'm usually inclined to give professors the benefit of the doubt but I still question even the highest authority on a subject simply because history has shown enough of them to have been wrong yet everyone listened due to their status as an authority. I'll give Ales Hrdlicka (1869-1943) as an example of someone who was bent on disproving or downplaying new evidence to support a theory. He played a pivotal role in shooting down any new evidence that might prove that humans inhabited North/South America prior to 13,000yrs ago. As a very prominant figure in anthropology he held much sway.

 

The fools mistake is to confuse weather with climate. The coldest (hottest, driest, wettest) season on record is weather. The coldest (etc) decade, century, etc is climate.

To confuse todays weather with climate change is crazy. The climate models suggest that the extremes of weather will increase with projected climate change. Climate change DOESN'T mean nothing but warming, but rather warmer in some places, colder in others. Same for dry/wet. Climate change will change the weather, the weather doesn't change the climate.

Icarus

 

It's about climate change.

Climate

Change

 

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understand.

 

This is one of those occasions when looking at the data helps:



That last dip is a little scary...

 

It's been cold in the interior of continents because more heat has been going into melting polar ice, and the chilled air then comes south. Don't fret, it will be nice and warm again this summer and the sea ice will reach a new low.

For discussion of global warming by atmospheric physicists and climatologists see
RealClimate

 

maybe the melting of the ice caps get the temp of the sea lower and therefore interrupts the sea deeper channels that go around the world en distribute heat and cold?

(hope anyone with the nohow of this can put it in better English.sorry)

and this maybe is natures way of preventing a real overheating period of the planet.
so instead of heat ( maybe for a few years ) there Will be a ice age..

 

No worries mate. Your (insert native language here) is no doubt better than mine. I can talk to infants in german and french, but they need to be particularly dim-witted or I'm in over my head.

 

The same sort of thing happened in American health/diabetes research. It probably happens all the time. The true usually gets out sooner or later though.

 

Historically the earth has been very hot and very cold and seems to swing up and down in temps fairly drastically. These wide swings are punctuated by fairly stable times similar to what we are currently experciencing. So far the data is showing that the earth has experienced drastic changes in global average temperatures over a very short period of time. I'm not syaing this is what is going to happen again but it is very possible and in my opinion a guarantee that it will do so again at some point in the future.

The earth plays this little balancing act due primarily to the life on this planet which is why more people are starting to like the "GAIA theory" (not to say the earth is sentient in some way). If not for all the bacteria, photosynthesising organisms, insects, etc. we would likely not recognize the planet nor would we be alive.

 

I'm sure it does. It's sad but it seems no different than any other sector or life.

 

I think the point is not to deny this has every happened or will ever happen again.

It's not to be an active participant in rushing the process along.

If the earth is going to heat up or cool down....let's not bring it on a few centuries before it's normal due date.

 

Clearly it is too early to tell whether the now quiet sun will remain that way and what effect that will have on global temperatures. There are some interesting temperature trends at present and some are speculating that things like PDO are shifting to a cool regime. We will all just have to wait and see - there is no guarantee temps will go down, or up.

In the meantime -- with respect -- I find the "it's all about climate change" comments less than compelling. For years all we have heard is about how the earth is burning up, we're overheating due to "global warming" caused by man, the ice caps are melting, etc.

Funny now how the story is changing. The alarmists are starting to sound a bit like Bush on Iraq -- shifting their rationales, explanations and stories as the conditions around them change.

 

If sun spot activity does indeed decrease (I'll wait to see more studies on this) then how does that change explainations behind the effects of CO2 and climate change? It doesn't, it merely means a significant factor has changed within the system and we should expect different results.

If this would be deemed as an excuse to stop worrrying about CO2 then we are in a sad state indeed because who is to say when sun spot intensity would return to "normal" or increase beyond our normal observations?

 

Climate change in graphs:

Atmospheric CO2 concentrations:


Global temperature averages:




Glacier retreat calibrated temperatures


Solar cycle variations:


Any questions?