1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Freaking Bubbles!

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Trebuchet, Aug 23, 2010.

  1. Trebuchet

    Trebuchet Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    3,772
    936
    43
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Air bubbles are supposed to rise in water, am I wrong? :eek:



    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMCf7SNUb-Q]YouTube - Dolphin play bubble rings[/ame]​
     
  2. Rokeby

    Rokeby Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    3,033
    708
    75
    Location:
    Ballamer, Merlin
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    You are right for typical air bubbles in water.

    The "bubbles" the dolphins are blowing are anything but typical. They
    are "vortex rings;" air rotating around a central axis in the ring. The
    outer edge of the ring is moving contrary to the direction of travel of
    the ring.

    I suspect that the dolphins shoot the rings slightly downward so that
    they pull themselves downward, pretty much balancing their inherent
    buoyancy.

    The rotation in the ring is gradually slowed by contact with the water;
    If the video is long enough, the ring will start to move towards the
    surface.

    Air-in-air vortex rings are easily made and typically made visible with
    smoke or water vapor.

    I know this because I do a Energy in Motion; Vortex Ring Investigation
    activity with middle schoolers about 15 times a year.
     
  3. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    18,058
    3,074
    7
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    We do this SCUBA diving, although not as well as the dolphins.

    Tom
     
  4. Rokeby

    Rokeby Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    3,033
    708
    75
    Location:
    Ballamer, Merlin
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Tom,

    All my experience; many months of research, experimentation and
    development, is with air-in-air vortex rings. So, I'm little shy on the
    air-in-water sort.

    I've seen Utube videos of people blowing air-in-water rings in a pool.
    They are always lying on their backs, blowing straight up or nearly so.
    It looks like the air is propelled solely with jaw/cheek/tongue
    movements. The rings rise and expand rapidly.

    I suspect that the tightness of the dolphins' rings is due to a very well
    developed ability to use their diaphragms to get a brief high velocity
    charge of air, and a sharp ending cut-off.

    Have you ever seen a human blow a ring in water other than straight up?
    If so, how did they do it?
     
  5. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    18,058
    3,074
    7
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Yes, but it doesn't stay formed for very long. It's much easier to do it on your back. Humans don't have a lot of lung power, so it's much easier to have buoyancy help. Going sideways, the rings break up quickly.

    I always use my lungs to expel the air, but shape the pulse with my lips and tongue.

    Tom