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Gen 1 Prius as a hobby

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  1. ginkelvanmichiel

    ginkelvanmichiel New Member

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    Hello to everyone out here!

    I'm from the Netherlands and tomorrow I wille be seeing a 2001 Prius. My daily driver car is a Chervolet Bolt EV, so I'm not uncommon to cars with HV batteries, and I've been working on cars for quite a few years.

    The seller of the (cheap!) Prius told me there 'could' be a problem with the HV battery, as a readout said, but I'm wondering what you think of the following:

    When you turn the key the car gives no error messages. You'll put it in drive, accelerate, nothing wrong. Then, a traffic light turns red, you'll press the brake, car idles for a while, fuel engine turnes off: voila: error message.

    The car itself has been stationary for almost a year before it was sold. First thing that came to my mind was that the 12V battery is depleted (a bit), but on the other hand, hence the care wasn't used for a long time the HV battery wasn't charged either...

    I contacted the previous owner a year ago, and at that point the car didn't give any errors.


    So what do you think? Is it possible that the HV battery depleted during the stand still? Or is this a common problem with older (140.000 miles) HV batteries? I can easily swap the battery pack with my knowledge, but if it isn't necessary I will not swap it ;)

    Unfortunately I don't have any of the error codes.
     
  2. Tombukt2

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    Well fortunately when you go to look at the car you can get the error codes and see what you got Yes the battery could be flat but it should charge up pretty quickly once the car is ready and somebody gets out and starts really driving it the 12 volt first comes to mind sitting for a year yeah that thing's probably got eight volts or something silly so you don't use your expertise and your knowledge once you get to the car until then it's just a crap shooting the dark We know it's been sitting a year That's bad enough
     
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    a 22 year old hybrid will be a great hobby car. expect a lot of things to go wrong and constant fun diagnosing and repairing.
    all the best!
     
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    heads up. The vehicle has been out of production for 19+ years, and did not achieve large volume during production, so spares are becoming hard to come by, even through Toyota.
    Great little vehicle for those with the patience and no small amount of ingenuity to maintain....
     
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    If it starts and drives the HV battery isn't completely depleted. The gas engine stalling at a stop light will set a diagnostic code, you'll need a code reader to find out more.
     
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    May be a problem finding a replacement Gen 1 battery pack.

    Couple of suitable options:
    https://projectlithium.com/products/prius-gen1-lithium-upgrade-pack-19-blocks
    https://2ndlifebattery.com/product/2001-2003-toyota-prius-hybrid-refurbished-battery/
     
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    The only other problem with a "hobby car"" car is that it becomes like a slightly dotty spouse. Then, at some point, the realization arrives that it is necessary to put the "hobby car" to a permanent rest (due to failure of a major structure member, for example).

    Cue the song "Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover" by Paul Simon.
    (youtube link).
     
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    The ICE "stalling" while the car isn't moving is normal behavior. The engine is programmed to shut off under that circumstance, unless it is charging the HV battery and/or the AC is operating. Does the engine start up when you press the accelerator pedal to move on? What do you mean by "error message?" Does the check engine light (CEL) come on? Whatever is going on, you'll need to pull the codes, as has been said already.
     
  9. ginkelvanmichiel

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    I’n going to see the car today. I’ll keep you informed.
     
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    Well, it was a neat car and the code was clear: malfuctioning hv battery pack.

    block 10-11-12 read 14,5V, the other blocks 15,89.

    I’ll inspect the busbars later, maybe there’s a lot of corrosion on them, especially at 10-11-12.

    during the 85 mile trip back home the car sometimes switched to neutral when it would have engaged the electric motor. With a simple restart the car drove fine. There were no other fault codes. So I know what job is coming up!
     
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    And there she is!
     

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    gorgeous! please post your progress, all the best!
     
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    My favorite color. Now you've made me miss mine.
     
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    Congrats! Nice lookingz vehicle....
    Just a heads up, since you plan to open the HV battery for inspection & cleaning, be sure to pay attention to the plug/connector where the sense harness connects to the battery computer. It may be showing signs that it is vulnerable to failure such as is described in this thread:

    HV Battery Almost fire and replacement :'( | PriusChat

    May good luck follow you with the repair!
     
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    Looks great! Might be worth a new Toyota battery pack if one can be found.
     
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    Today I started working on the Prius. Plugged in my OBDII scanner and the data is pretty clear: There are 5 modules with a lower voltage.
    I first measured the SOH when the car wasn't used for a couple of days, and then I drove a couple of km's to see if it affected the voltage of the 'low' modules. It certainly does: they are charged, just like the other ones. The only problem is that the unbalance between the modules is still there.

    So now I have to make a plan: do I need to swap these modules, or can I simply rebalance the pack and try again? Here in the Netherlands the modules are quite hard to obtain, so íf I want to swap the modules I might need to get GEN 2 modules and replace them all...

    What do you think?

    before driving a few kms:
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    After driving a few kms:
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    ginkelvanmichiel New Member

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    I've made two seperate tables/graphs to see the difference:
    Before driving:
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    After driving:
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    There are 38 modules, a pair for each of the 19 banks. Each module has six 1.2v cells. Looks like several modules have a bad cell so I believe these modules will need to be replaced (I've never reconditioned a battery, so not sure if bad cells can be revived, but if it's the original pack it's probably not worth the time).

    Not sure if gen1 and gen2 modules can be mixed, so will need to replace all 38. Best option is a new pack from Toyota if available.

    There's also after market new modules you can install yourself, like Project Lithium https://projectlithium.com/?ref=mG0GE
     
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    ginkelvanmichiel New Member

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    Unfortunately these kind of projects are designed for the 2nd generation Prius. Otherwise it was an easy choice
     
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