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Gen 3 vs Gen 4 water pump replacement

Discussion in 'Prius v Technical Discussion' started by Kpeeling, Aug 21, 2024.

  1. ChapmanF

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    Enough to make one wonder if some of those aftermarket labor rate figures also haven't been updated since the repair manual instructions were improved.
     
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    No they haven't. I look at them daily.
     
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    Good to know, for people who rely on those sources to make labor estimates.
     
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    I don't condone the use of them, they SHOULD be taking Toyota manual numbers. I think 11 is ridiculous and price gouging.
     
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    Anything you can share, regarding the revised instruction?
     
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    Follow links in #8.
     
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    The water pump should be replaced at 150,000 miles............... unless you want to possibly ruin the engine or cause more head gasket problems..... mine went out at 167,000
     
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    You can easily replace the pump in under two hours.....
     
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    Not on a Gen 4 you can't. Please provide a detailed video of such repair for us to see you or anyone do it with a timer on a laptop or clock in the video so it can be proven.
     
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    I didn't say gen 4
    Gen 3
    Please supply a video of you taking a large dose of fentanyl
     
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    In fairness, this was a thread started to compare the gen 4 vs. gen 3 water pump labor complexity.

    On the other hand, the person who started it seemed to be thinking a 2017 v is a gen 4, when it isn't.

    On the third hand, even for gen 4, the Toyota Flat Rate Manual time for the job did go from 7 hours down to 1.3 hours (which I would think qualifies as "under two hours"), once they improved the Repair Manual procedure to no longer have step 1 be "remove engine assembly with transaxle".
     
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    This thread was always about the Gen 4 water pump labor hours. Stay with the conversation Boomer.
     
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    Who is doing the repair?
     
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    All the Vs were gen 3. The OP has a V.
    The OP thinks it somehow has a 4th gen chassis.
     
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    Right, the OP made a simple mistake and thought "it's a 2017, must be gen 4", not realizing the v wagon was still gen 3.

    All that was covered in the very first reply three weeks ago.
     
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    Seems appropriate...
     

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    Of course, but then the conversation moved to discussing the ACTUAL Gen 4 waterpump IN A Gen 4 vehicle and the labor hours involved in such a job. How hard is this to follow?
     
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    The g4 sounds ok now with the revision steps, compared to a water pump under the timing cover, requiring the crankshaft pulley to be removed.
     
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    What car would that be?
     
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    A bunch of cars that have water pumps inside the timing cover. I only did two, a 1992 Honda Accord and a 2002 Camry v6. Both have belts. I suppose dozens of models have had or have it this way. I did this for a family member in driveways and when younger. No power tools all manual. I made my own crankshaft stop turning devices. The one I made for Honda they sell them now, a big hex that fits in the pulley.
     
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