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Gen 5 Prius Prime owner's manual

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    Interesting specs on the battery.

    Gen 5 Prius HEV cell capacity: 4.08 Ah
    Gen 5 Prius PHEV (Prius Prime) cell capacity: 51.0 Ah

    This means that they are using rather large pouch cells in Gen 5 Prius Prime PHEV. They are more than ten times the size of the cells in Gen 5 Prius HEV. 4 Ah is roughly the capacity of an 18650 flashlight lithium-ion battery such as those used in some older Tesla models or the capacity of an iPhone battery. 51.0 Ah is a giant pouch cell.
     
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    Another interesting spec difference between the HEV and PHEV is the oil capacity. The PHEV takes 0.3–0.4 qt less oil than the HEV despite having the same engine. Perhaps spin-on vs. cartridge oil filter?
     
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    Bet the oil pans are slightly different because of clearance issues related to something with the hybrid system.
     
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    It doesn't look like Toyota has started using the LG pouch cells yet. I think the 51.0-Ah cell in the PHEV might be this Panasonic prismatic cell. It has an impressive cycle life of 2,000 cycles at 1C (1-hour charging). It will easily last for 10,000 cycles at C/4 (4-hour charging). That is 400,000 miles of life even if the car is used as a pure BEV!

    https://www.geebattery.com/battery/panasonic-li-ion-battery
     
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    If true...that is really nice. And the modules should be vastly easier to replace than BEV batteries ( i.e. - Tesla ). (y)
     
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    I thought pouch batteries were the more common type in BEVs. By model, not numbers on the road.
     
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    I don't think Panasonic makes them, but puch batteries are becoming more popular. Solid-state batteries are usually pouch batteries, as they require an external pressure to be applied on. Tesla batteries are either cylindrical (Panasonic?) NMC (some older models being NCA) or prismatic CATL LFP. NMC/NCA/LFP refer to the cathode active material. LFP is less energy-dense but a lot cheaper and typically has a longer cycle life.
     
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    It seems Ford, GM, Hyundai, and Nissan favor pouch cells.
     
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    They may be buying them from LG then.
     
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    GM is. Didn't want to dive that deep. IIRC, Nissan/Renault had their own battery production in the beginning.
     
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    You should be able to read the US manual (first link), can't you?
     
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    Unfortunately not, Google says in my country is not allowed the access.

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    yeah it doesn't work for me also

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    VPN is your friend :)
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    Thanks alot:) , it's the only way I can acces the manual in Canada(y)
     
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