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Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by pakitt, Nov 17, 2022.
Prius keeps getting lower with each new generation. I may consider a Corolla Cross Hybrid.
Will upgrade if a 2023 Prime if it comes in Ferrari Yellow
Until then, I’m actually really happy with the Gen 4 PP
my 2014 has 165,000+ commuter miles. it's in great shape. I'm retiring very soon, and have a pickup and the wifey has a 2021 RAV4 hybrid. Do I keep my 2014 because it won't get much more use? do I sell it and make do with the pickup and the RAV4? Do I replace it with the 2023 or 2024 Prius Prime? Do I wait and replace it and the wife's with a new RAV4 Prime? so many choices. the low entrance/exit to a Prius is an issue, but I like the new Prius Prime better than the RAV4 prime. what to do, what to do... of course, primes of any kind are not really available here in the midwest....
It also means prior or before (or even earlier events), so it's pretty damned apt a name in that that it will be remembered as the transitional step prior to the arrival of the widespread manufacture & sale of BEVs.
Congrats on the upcoming retirement! I, also, have a truck (Tundra) but commute with my Prius. My wife is, already, retired and has no plans of giving up her light-green Prius. (Named Tinker Bell) I don't know what I'll do with my Prius when I retire in 6-8 years....probably give to one of my kids or grandkids and just drive Tinker and my Tundra around. I'll continue providing maintenance to our family vehicles as long as I can...we are up to 7 vehicles, now, but mostly Toyota's so even a "check engine" light is very very rare!!!
I will get the new prime and pass our Prius down to our daughter. I guess that falls under the "trade in" category
I can see myself buying a new Prime, depending upon the price. They've made some serious improvements to the vehicle over my 2017. Someday, I'll probably buy a BEV, but they have the same problems now that they had back in 2017; i.e., high cost, lack of range, and lack of charging infrastructure (this seems worse than it was 5 years ago with a lot of busted charging stations and hardly any new ones). Tesla is the only company that had a serious vision and build out of a charging system, but it's proprietary to their vehicles only. Imagine driving into a gasoline station and the pump nozzle only fits a Ford, for example. Rediculous.
LE for me. I don't need all those extra electronics features. But LE not having Smart Key functionality is gonna be a PITA.
Needs a "Waiting to see more if it might meet my use case & prices" option.
In almost all other countries, Tesla SuperChargers are open to all electric vehicles, as long as they use the Tesla App, and if the driver has the proper converter to their car's plug (usually CCS). It will be in 2023 that Tesla will open their Supercharging network to the competition's cars in the USA, but at a higher charging rate than what a Tesla owner pays.
The adapter isn't needed for Europe. Tesla switched to CCS there when the Model 3 came out. Being open to other brands is still in its pilot phase, and only available in some countries. Non-Tesla Supercharger Pilot | Tesla
In China, Superchargers and Tesla use the local plug type. So opening up their network to others will be easy.
Tesla has invited others install the Supercharger plug type on cars. It just isn't clear yet if the same legalities are in place that made other companies hesitant to do so in the past. Tesla officially opens its charging network to non-Tesla cars | CNN Business
The more I am reading comments/"reviews"/previews etc. and the more I am thinking I will wait a solid 1+ years before reconsidering purchase. And wait that the mark-up frenzy at dealers will stop. Assuming there is going to be a frenzy at all, once all the people in this forum (a couple hundred maybe?) get their own. Sales of the Prius in the USA is "next to nothing" compared to all the Crossovers/SUV/Trucks they sell here doing 20mpg or less. Clearly fuel efficiency is not in the mind of the average American buyer. At least outside California. And when it is, it is because of the fuel price, not because they have a gas guzzler.
I went recently to a local transportation museum and at least in 2 models shown, the sales pitch on old posters was "fuel economy" (!!). One of which was for a truck! And one of them actually was doing close to 30mpg. Fast forward 50 years, and cars are consuming (and directly CO2 polluting) a lot more. And weight of cars 50 years ago was the same if not more than today's cars that can use lighter materials not available 50 years ago.
Small sample still, but pretty brutal. Nobody voted for trade in for the new non-plugin Prius. And close to half say they're sitting tight with what they have. The latter could be more wait-and-see, who knows.
And are the supply issues going to evaporate, in the next 6 months?
The last couple years have been sad for my wife's 2010 (purchased in 2009). We had rodents get in it twice this year, both times they died and stunk up the vehicle. The paint is peeling and degrading on the roof. It's now only gets about 39 mpg. I think we are ready for a Prime, but dang it the colors are all so boring. They have made the cars styling exciting now, and we still get the most colorless colors. Toyota is such a weird company when it comes to the Prius. For two decades they style it and color it like some eastern block car from the 70s. Now they finally figure out maybe that wasn't a good idea, but again only half measures when it come to color. I understand the supply chain and demand risks when you make a product in too many loud colors (Apple had trouble with the gumdrop iMacs), but come on - you've got some great colors on your other vehicles but you refuse to bring those to the Prius?
Does anyone have an email address to reach Toyota C-suite types here in the US? I'm ready to fire off a missive.
it will still be a rodent magnet
I don't know if and how much Toyota had supply issues in the past 3 years. But the new Prius is hopefully designed with modern-era chips and there shouldn't be any constraints on them being "the old ones no one wants to produce anymore". I am not too sure there are constraints on other non electronic-related parts. You miss a part that is on a single-source supplier, you cannot deliver the whole vehicle. The supply chains of car manufactures are immensely complex.
Or if there are any still lingering logistic supply constraints (e.g., ships waiting in front of the LA port because there is nobody to offload them - so you can build all you want, you still cannot deliver them.
I am seeing a lot of new cars on the road. So I think the situation has eased somewhat.
Colors? What colors? You mean the various shades of grey, white to black included?
The Prius is offered in only 2 colors: red and blue. No green, no rust orange, no different shades of blue, nothing. It is some shade of grey, blue or red. And that's it. But other manufacturers don't seem to do much better: I see a lot of grey on the roads around here. And none of them are Prius. Quite the contrary (i.e., everything here is a crossover, SUV or pick-up truck doing 20mpg or less). And the several Teslas I see here, same story (they probably copied Toyota): shades of grey, blue and red. And that's it.
And it would be nice to have an option for someone who currently does not own a Prius but subscribes to the site.
I started the poll, but it seems I am not able to edit it anymore. Maybe @Tideland Prius can add that option.
Gen5 - 1st of all, Gen5 is not out. this is a reveal. We folks are talking here, about that which is still ½ a year away. even then - that will be in some of the major markets that are amenable to the Prius. even then, there's still a chip shortage going on. even then, based on what happened with the similar electric range rav4, dealers - dealerships have marked up costs 5 figures in some instances. all the excitement and hype has been great - talking about all the new features and such .... starting new threads .... but now begins the long looong wait. not trying to rain on anybody's parade. Just consider - some of us here are still 1½ years into their wait for a RAV4 Prime that is sold at 'only' MSRP.