Heavy Springs And Lift Upgrade

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  1. Plaman

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    black_jmyntrn do you have any affiliation with these teal heavy springs?
     
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    Running both lift and spring is what is being tested now, that's not the concern, I'd need to re-read but if my memory serves me cdiorrect, Something has to be cut, and added or modified for matrix spring to work on the prius shock. Reminds me of the Coilover kit I had on my old street racer. I had to cut up the struts to then slide a spindle over the strut, I wasn't perfect. I couldvecould've had a bad experience if I didn't notice the spring spindle to raise and lower was cracked down the middle.
    I just stay away from hacking to get what I need as it relates to things on the suspension, and the engine. like using oven cleaner to make my egr spotless gave me the heebee geeb

    That statement needed more context. see above

    I don't want to assume but are you referring to the look of the springs, the number of active or non active coils? Because by those measurements I;d agree with you but overall build quality, not even close. Do we know what the load capacity of the Matrix or Vibe?

    One would hope a spring made for the Prius or one not made for the Prius that's to be used on a Prius lines up to the perch.

    Did you know Toyota used different rear springs in the rear of the Gen 3 Plugin? Do we know anything about the Matrix springs like weight capacity? Or spring rate? Fitting is one thing, how it performs is another, not trying to take any away from matrix, trying to understand.
     
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    what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
     
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    That's true, you have to put the rear matrix lower perch on top of the prius perch. It slides right over and sits flat when you flatten 2 tabs on the seating surface of the prius perch. I don't believe it would be any more likely to fail than putting a heavier spring on the factory perch, but have no data to back that up obviously. Were it to fail, I would simply be riding on the bump stop. The front need no modification other than swapping the springs. Just because I'm not concerned, doesn't mean I think you should change your mind, I'm just putting down my reasoning for posterity. There is minimal data about the awd matrix /vibe springs, even from the aftermarket companies that I can find. The actual load capacity was not my main concern though, I am not using it like you do yours, yet.
     
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    See, I swear there was another thread where someone maybe tried a different part number, had to do more work and I feel like others even posted saying "Nah, not doing that". lol Took time to reread this method and id do it after welding on the larger perch if there were no other springs available.

    My stance, is I just want reliable, dependable parts available to the owners of all gens, well most, don't see no one doing what I do in a Gen 1. lol and yes, Ive had each spring, front/rear Gen 2, Gen 3 and Gen 4 analyzed to assist with the development of the springs.

    That said, id has to get one of these matrix springs, and take it to the place where they do this special machine to determine loads. this is what I've gathered so far(this is without my notes in front of me)

    Gen 2. 270bs
    Gen 3. 205lbs
    Gen 4 228lbs
    F-150 900lbs

    and now /i have a brain fart on what the heavy-duty ones are without my notes... point being, matrix might fit and I'm curious what the specs are and how they feel. My plugin felt better, tighter, and stronger with the new heavy duties.
     
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    I'd say this is a valid description of what the matrix springs have done. I only have about a week on them, but I would equate it to the feeling of a 3/4 ton truck with no load in the bed. It is stiff, very little bounce going over bumps, but not harsh like a 1 ton where it is like driving over a washboard in the rear. Did it cost you anything to get the springs tested? It's interesting that the Gen 3 springs went down so much, even though curb weight went up.
     
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    This answers my question. Thank you.
     
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    Springs are settling in nicely and I'm out testing this setup pretty hard!

    I took it out to Azusa OHV for some fun.



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    Instead of your Teal springs?
    Probably because Plaman was going to buy the Overlanding spacers from PriusOverlanding.com, which happens to be an affiliated web site to both jmyntrn.com and black.jmyntrn.com. All 3 point to name server NS1.jmyntrn.com.

    So you are saying that you don't have an affiliation to the teal heavy springs?
     
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    Saying the same thing I keep saying... what does it matter? Your energy is off bud, not sure what you are trying to prove. Just come out and say whats on your mind.
     
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