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Help! 2005 Prius with 180kMi needs new battery pack

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by GregAZ, Feb 25, 2014.

  1. Rich12

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    But most don't drop $2 - 4K parts. I still can't understand all the jingoism surrounding the Prius.
     
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    Your guess, based on......nothing but a guess, I guess.

    And "jingoism" ??
    I think that characterization is inflammatory itself and the term
    doesn't even really apply well.

    It is simple pride. Maybe misplaced and maybe not.
    Certainly NOT something worthy of a debate, I think.

    Might as well debate who is the best NASCAR driver. :)
     
  3. GregAZ

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    Trouble is, I can't find any feedback on the cheap battery. Everyone I find used one of the nice ones ...
     
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    I'll go out on a limb and predict that most Gen 2 Prius' will make it to 300K miles even though some will need traction battery replacement before reaching that milestone. Since you have "only" 180K miles (mine has 30K more miles than yours with the original pack), it's a reasonably safe bet that you'll make it to 299,999 miles with a replacement pack.

    Your choices are limited. You can sell your car as is but you won't get much for it. You can purchase a new or re-manufactured pack with no assurance that something else will fail that will cost you even more. There are few guarantees with a nine year old car. But remember, it is a Toyota and the Gen 2 Prius was built to last.

    I encourage you to replace your traction battery (new or used).
     
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    Hi Greg. If I were in your position I think I'd go for one of these two options.

    1. Straight secondhand (not rebuilt or reconditioned) from a lowish mileage wreck. This if you plan on keeping the car three or four years.

    2. New battery from Toyota if you plan on driving it as long as possible and joining the 299999 club as jadziasman mentioned.
     
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    I hear ya, then you gotta go with your gut. I did forget to mention one option to you and that's Steve at autobeyours.com. I forget he started reconditioning batteries. Now I know you'll find plenty of good feedback on him.
     
  7. GregAZ

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    Thanks for that. I spoke with Steve, and he sounds like an AWESOME guy! His price is fantastic, but unfortunately he no longer ships and Indiana is not in the cards for me. Even Steve he recommended the Toyota battery, given my situation and that being said, I bought one today, and plan to install it this weekend.

    Again, a million thanks for all the help and I will keep everyone posted!
     
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    I'm interested to know the name of your Phoenix dealer parts dept source for future reference.
     
  9. GregAZ

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    Camelback Toyota. They always say that their online prices are the lowest, but then they can work the numbers in person to sometimes even beat their own internet prices!!
     
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    What's the online price and the final price in person?
     
  11. GregAZ

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    I assume you mean for the battery pack? Looks like $2,174.48 online, and $2,070.94 in person. The closest I could find was Dorman REMAN for $1,850.

    Here is their online shop: Camelback Toyota Parts - Genuine OEM Parts - Free Shipping

    Great guys in person, I am very happy that they are local to me.
     
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    I buy majority of my parts from there now, I just didn't know there's still room for negotiations beyond their online listed prices. I've heard of people ordering over the phone and going in to the dealer to pickup. That method is cheaper than their regular over the counter retail price.
     
  13. GregAZ

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    That is definitely my experience! Ask for Brendon - he was the one who helped me with the battery.
     
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    So, as of this weekend, the job is DONE. A big huge THANK YOU to all who have helped me along the way!

    Here are some general comments for those considering this / reading it in the future:
    • As many have said, the job is pretty easy. Lots of steps, but overall, it's a simple disassemble / reassemble type of a job.
    • I was a little intimidated by the whole "High Voltage Glove / Lineman Glove" requirement, but since I couldn't find any at Lowe's or Home Depot, I just bought thick rubber gloves and used those in the couple of spots as recommended. Probably not the best idea, but I have read of others doing the same thing.
    • While in there, I realized that I am 90% to doing the rear struts - the hardest part there is the interior disassembly. Since my fronts were done within the last 10kMi, I decided to do the rears, "while I am in there." Another $100 from Camelback Toyota, and it's a SUPER easy job. My old ones don't feel so bad, but now I don't have to come back to it.
    • The hardest part was taking the computer off the old battery and attaching it to the new one. That took a bit of patience. But, I took my time and took LOTS of iPhone photos along the way, so I remembered how everything went back together.
    • The car is back up and running and NO MORE ERRORS!!!!!!! Hope it's good for another 180kMi.
    All in all - if you are considering doing the job, and if the electricity bit does not intimidate you - GO FOR IT! It really is no more difficult than a brake job. Just a really EXPENSIVE brake job!! :)

    Follow up question - do I need to reset the error codes, or do anything else now that everything is back together and the car is running?
     
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    Congrats to you. Assuming you had disconnected the 12V battery as the first step in the process, the DTC would have been cleared.
     
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    I actually replaced the 12V battery to be sure (it was from October 2009, so I figured it was time anyhow). And THANKS!
     
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    well done!(y)
     
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    Just to make the decision even harder, I recently reconditioned my own battery pack with help from posts on here. I bought two replacement cells off ebay for a total of $85, an instructional dvd for $15, and 3 battery chargers to do 12 batteries at one time for $450. I had some 16 ga wire and some crimp on terminals and wire nuts to make jumper wires with. Besides my time, my investment has been $550. I still plan to sell 2 of my 3 chargers to recoup some of that. I was able to get all of my batteries back to about 95% of the original 6500mAh capacity. So far, so good.

    The guys at the dealership sounded shocked to hear that I fixed the car myself when they wanted about $4900 to do it. It did take me about a month to do it though. The wife got to drive my 2o year old beater for a while, bless her heart. It was well worth it for me. It's not hard at all if you have any kind of mechanical ability.
     
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    Wow greasemonkey, that's a pretty steep price that the dealers were asking. Are you in the US or somewhere else?
     
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    This is a quite a price at the dealer. As you would expect they have a higher cost than independent shops.
    That said, if the new battery is $2,500, that is an awful lot of up-charge.

    While you saved money doing it your way, most people do not have a month that they can be without their car. It does provide great satisfaction, though. Congrats.