Hillary

Gonna be an interesting primary season.

 

They're all exploring.

I would hope those working with her would have the guts and honesty to tell her she'll never be elected president. And I'd hope she'd listen.

And I hope she would be generous enough to put the full power of her fundraising behind the DNC candidate. Because if it's Barack Obama, she could do a lot to get him elected.

 

Senator Clinton has done a good job of re-inventing herself (or, in a less cynical tone, establishing her image) as a left of center but still moderate person who is extremely capable in her role as the junior Senator from NY.

She is no longer thought of as "Bill's wife", but as a smart and savvy professional woman who can work within the system. She is out of favor with the far left, but has done a lot to moderate her image. She projects a calm and competent image that is strong yet non-threatening.

I don't want her as President, but I think she could win. A moderate VP candidate from the midwest or south, such as Sen. Evan Bayh who was with her group of people going to Iraq recently, could help her with the nervous folks in middle America who might think she is a bit too liberal. If the Republicans nominate any of the top three, she would win in a cakewalk. Guiliani and McCain are not favored with the religious right base of the Republican party, and Romney could lose the right-to-lifers and moderate Republicans as well for his flip-flopping.

All of her "skeletons" have already been aired, so she won't face the intense media pressure someone like John Edwards faces with his tax evasion settlement. Any opponent who tries to bring up Rose Law Firm stuff will be considered as just a partisan. At the same time, none of the usual "stuff" from the Clinton Administration can really be pinned on her, as she was not really a part of the Administration; she was the victim of her husband's philandering and not someone who benefited from it. So complaints raised about her husband's administration will just make her look more sympathetic.

I think Obama is attractive, in a Jack Kennedy sort of way. But Senator Clinton has the edge, I think.

 

It's time for the right leftist. One who is intelligent, articulate, experienced politically, who has worked her whole life, most of it benefiting the public sector. One who (unfortunately required) is adept at raising funds, has the compassion many parents develop, is skilled at debating, negotiating, is motivated, driven and goal oriented. H Clinton fits that order and I would vote for her, BUT I HOPE SHE DOESN'T RUN...YET! I'd prefer the nomination go to B Obama with H Clinton as vice prez for 8 years. THEN she should run, win 2 terms, and this would give the neocons conniptions, since she would have been the white house for a total of 24 blessed years. I can't think of better vindication for what those fools did to her husband instead of spending their time and my money to forward our nation into the 21st century. After junior, at this point in history the dems could run bugs bunny and win, accomplish more and garner more international goodwill than the chimp-in-training. Lock step Neocons will be reinventing their christian selves for generations to come to make up for the debacle they have imposed upon the world. Their skills are as obstructionists, not leaders. Proven point.

 

Richardson from NM has joined the fray also. At the moment he is considered a distant candidate, but I think he has an excellent chance of getting on the eventual Dem ticket. He might even succeed in breaking down, at least to a degree, the Repub bastions in the mid-west and south, and certainly will sweep the hispanic vote. He will probably be viewed as a centrist candidate, which when all is said and done, the Dems will opt for in the end.

Obama is brilliant, but is black, and has strong socialist leanings that are simply not circa America 2008. The pendulum will swing in the future, and hopefully Obama will be around to be president then.

 

I think the Democrats would do better with an Edwards/Obama ticket. Then after 8 years an Obama/H.Clinton ticket. Then they can put Hillary up for Pres.

Yes, it would take 16 years and we might have 24 years of a Democratic Presidency. But it will probably take that long to clean up Junior's mess.

And the changes this country is going to have to go through in the coming two decades aren't going to be led by Republicans.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Jan 21 2007, 07:42 AM) [snapback]378640[/snapback]</div>

You have a higher opinion of the American electorate than I do. I believe it is capable of being swung this way or that by the most haphazzard of events, or the most fallacious of arguments. The election will probably be won by the candidate whose campaign managers are the cleverest at manipulating public opinion, and the most willing to employ dishonest or even illegal methods; or by the candidate who has the most luck in the course of events leading up to the election.

Living (as I suppose) in Marin County, you don't see how incredibly unconcerned Middle America is with events that truly influence their lives, or how pathologically concerned people are with issues that have been created specifically to manipulate them, or how blind they are to the true intentions of their leaders.

The next Republican candidate will distance himself from W, perhaps by insisting that W did not go far enough in eliminating human and civil rights, and a large segment of the electorate will buy it. Whoever the candidates are, the outcome is far from predictable. In hard times, people turn to demagogs. The right knows this and will kill two birds with one stone: As it fills its own pockets, it brings the middle class to bankruptcy, and thereby makes that same middle class a follower of its extremist rhetoric.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Jan 21 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]378768[/snapback]</div>

That's a certainty that is always underestimated. The American people have a collective personality and attention span of a spoiled 4-year-old. If gasoline prices are still low and the republicans can come up with a candidate who is distant enough from junior, who actually voted against the invasion (if such a candidate exists) and says the right things, we may elect him. Democrats still scare a lot of people (me included) so whether that candidate is black or a woman or even a white guy who votes to the right of center some times, it may not matter.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Jan 22 2007, 10:59 AM) [snapback]378965[/snapback]</div>

I thought hilary voted for the war as did kerry?

I would love to know what hilary things of her husband pardoning the FALN terrorists as he left office. Did he not also pardon some others of similar ilk? And he pardoned Mr. Rich? What does she think of her hubby giving get out of jail cards to all these "ding-dongs"?

only obama hussein barak did not vote for it or against it because he wasn't even in the senate then.

 

I've had enough of Bushes.

I've had enough of Clintons.

Let's move on to someone else.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jan 22 2007, 12:16 PM) [snapback]378976[/snapback]</div>

She opposed them. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/199...ry.puerto.rico/

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PA @ Jan 22 2007, 12:10 PM) [snapback]379005[/snapback]</div>

Agreed except for maybe Jeb Just kidding.