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How 2023 broke the climate models

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Jan 28, 2024.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    A nice update:


    Speculation that particle reduction from emissions control has led to the temperature error. Hummm.

    One of my assignments was to establish a communications link between Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland with the New York based, Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS.) Gavin Schmidt is a familiar name and may have been my contact when we were both peons. But I well remember that network task.

    At the time, we had public, private, and mission networks. Ordinarily, a tail site like GISS would connect to one of the three and the problem solved. But new requirements and we had to increase the 1.5 mbs link to 45 mbs and support both public and private access.

    My solution was to implement a VPN circuit on the 45 mbs while retaining the 1.5 mbs circuit as a fall back for the private network. One interesting aspect was to reduce the user facing ethernet to a slightly smaller packet size. This allowed the larger VPN packets to carry the user ethernet frames without having to fragment them. Yes, I know ancient history but it was fun at the time.

    Many of us have gone through record setting, cold winter storms but actually brief (i.e., less than week locally.) So it may seem strange that particulates played a significant part in a record setting, warm year. But climate effects on local weather are like paying with loaded dice. Every number comes up but some are more favored than others.
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    This post is a good example of how humanity faces climate change... They tend to wander off into side bars and tell stories when life's problems were way easier and how much they enjoyed the good old days. Meanwhile absolutely nothing has been done of substance to address the problem, just collective efforts of distraction.

    And to be fair maybe your enclosed video would be your point, but there's nothing to click on and nothing to watch, kinda of like what happens if you look around for governments and corporations doing something of significance to limit emissions.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Recalling a fun problem with someone I'd once worked did result in an action. Posting of the original YouTube describing the role aerosols play and a planned mission to measure them.

    Regardless, I'm so pissed off now, I'm going to take my Tesla to Russellville and pickup the Torx wrenches needed to fix my other EV, a BMW i3-REx. The passenger side door handle came off and I'll need the wrenches to tighten one of two fasteners that hold it on. Since I'll be close to Tupelo MS SuperCharger, I'll pop over to GoldStrike Casino in Tunica and play craps.

    So yes, action is being taken. Effective action to avoid having to burn gas in my BMW i3-REx that the Tesla is fetching the tools needed to keep it running.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I have a similar story with my 94 Dodge Intrepid s starter issue. Long story shortened as much as possible, I had the starter replaced and the intermittent key turn - nothing issue - didn't change. I got another starter and replaced it myself, still no change. Started digging deeper into the manual and found my next area of attack was the starter switch on the steering console. I got a new starter switch ( it was not expensive back than and I still have it, go figger, right ) . After pulling the steering column shroud I was faced with 4 external torx fasteners that held the starter switch to the column. the 2 ( 6 mm ) external torx were easy to find as the smallest size in most any external torx set. But, the 2 ( 4 mm ) external torx were special order. Just the one 4 mm socket was more expensive than the entire set of 6 I had already gotten.
    Turned out that my intermittent no start issue was due to the two 4 mm external torx fasteners being loose. I tightened them and the issue was fixed.
    I have my suspicions how they came loose, but that is a story for another time.;) and nothing like dealing with network protocols, understanding the binary to decimal conversion of even IP4 much less what it looks like with IP6. How many binary 0's and / or 1's are there in one IP4 address?
     
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    I've been seeing many mentions of reduced air pollution, especially from reduced SO2 emissions (an ingredient for small particulates), as a factor in even faster temperature increases, for quite a few years now. Adding more sulfur aerosols to the atmosphere could help cool us down ...

    ... and bring back the old acid rain problems that were previously dealt with. And cause more direct lung damage from PM2.5.
     
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    Returning to SO2 (becomes sulfate) emissions to troposphere is unwise for reasons mentioned above. So, no.

    Putting any form of sulfur into the stratosphere is a very different thing with benefits and risks incompletely known. Unwise at present I suggest. But, it seems to merit development because in a few decades it may become needed. It is quick to implement and about 3 years to undo (El Chichon evidence). So, a definite maybe for later.

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    I am unimpressed by idea that 2023 broke any global models. Models are inherently flawed to the extent they miss identify driving factors. They are inherently flawed over long time scales because oceans have ~decadal scale processes that models fail to capture so far. So they are inadequate in some ways, and such become obvious at times (like 2023). So they are already broken if one insists on using that adjective.

    The problem with any such adjectives is that nothing better than global climate models exists for this task. Nothing at all. So, either they get improved or we revert to Dark Ages type descriptions. Please, no.

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    "absolutely nothing has been done of substance to address the problem, just collective efforts of distraction." I disagree. Renewable E is expanding; possibly as fast as it possibly can. Energy efficiency of vehicles and buildings is improving; probably slower than it could, but sorry. Carbon sequestration in soils is expanding; probably slower than it could, but sorry. Forests are being replanted; although not without adequate attention being paid to species diversity or to species selection for climates those trees will face in future decades. More examples probably exist.

    Overall global efforts at climate mitigation and adaptation might merit a B- grade. Obviously many people would like to see better, including me. At the same time, opposition is strong and not shrinking, because short-term profits are attractive, externalities are ugly, and beating horses is fun. As long as You or I are not horses.

    I'd like to see better. In various humble ways while not ranting hereabouts, I work towards better. Many others are also doing so. PriusChat is a place where many people describe their own efforts in terms of renewable E and energy efficiency of vehicles and buildings.

    Yay.