How Long Did You Wait?

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  1. Joe Cowie

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    I'm located in Calgary, Alberta, Canada and dealerships are telling me between 4-10 months wait for a 2022 prime which I've now pre-ordered, any other brand of plug-in's I'm shopping is easily 12-18+ months away.

    The 1 or 2 dealers that have something arriving in the next 4-8 weeks are charging an extra $4-$5K on msrp.

    Meanwhile, I'm struggling with the decision to just wait for the 2023 models, incase there is a drastic design change and/or extended battery seen. Based on what I've researched anything new won't be avail to the public 1-2 years out anyway before cars can be delivered. If the wait is past 6 months, it sounds like I'd be in line anyway for a 2023 as they'd just swap out my pre-order. What a crazy world we live in right now.

    How long did you have to wait for your new PP and did you pay MSRP or get nailed with "high demand, low supply" Tax?
     
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    Fwiw, the wait times will vary massively, it depends on many many things.

    At least watch the first video.
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    https://priuschat.com/threads/factory-order-anyone.231072/#post-3249854
    Factory Order Anyone? | PriusChat


    Fwiw, in New England, by far, most of the Primes are Silver and XLE.
    And, if you want a factory clear protector for the bumper, your great great great grand kids may see the order arrive.

    I wanted a Gray Prime Limited. The gray and limited meant longer wait times.
    It all depends on what that dealer gets for allocations, what they ask for ahead of time, and if another dealer is willing to swap vehicles, before the vehicles get loaded on the boat.

    The Prius is NOT going to change (much, if at all) for 2023. Imho, anybody that says differently, clearly doesn't know the automotive market or the Prius market.

    The bigger question is if Prius will have a 2024 or 2025 refresh.
    My money is very firmly on 2025. Too bad we can't bet. Well, at least I can't, legally. :-P


    Fwiw, automotive refresh cycles, and what effects them goes all the way back to the 50's.
    It has been in college text books, industry books, and consumer books.
    It's not my fault that people read/watch interweb BS, and/or pull stuff from their rear-end.
    It's far from rocket science.
    What is hard, is planning/predicting on massive platform overhauls. For one thing, schedules for massive overhauls always expand out.


    Good Luck!
     
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    I just took a look at my nearby dealership: apparently they have nothing new right now. Incredible.
     
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    Confirmed today. My order (Prius not Prime) from September 2021 will be delivered end May 2022
     
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    I ordered my 22 in mid Nov. and got it mid Feb. Midnight Black. Love it. I’m in Edmonton Alberta. I thought it would take much longer to arrive.
     
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    nice, how was starting, driving and warming your prime this past winter for you? We had a few crazy cold weeks here in Alberta.
     
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    I could avoid the worst days as I still had my FJ Cruiser (now sold). With car garaged, no issues at -10C; car starts on EV, used steering wheel heater, seat heater, and "auto" climate control (which keeps car on electric heat pump, as I understand). Engine kicks on if you use defrost or set high temp. But, yeah, next winter will be a bit of a trial-run to see how it manages with cold temps and driving in snow. BTW, no mark-up on the ordered car (WEM Toyota).
     
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    We have two dealerships in Colorado Springs but one just changed owners so their website is currently jacked up. The other has 16 new vehicles but no Prius or Corolla and not Primes. The only hybrids are Rav4's. I was surprised to see three 2022 Tundras. The rest are Highlanders, 4-Runners, and one Avalon. So far, NO markups over MSRPs on them...so that's good.
     
  9. Joe Cowie

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    yes our winters will be the ultimate test for the PP, I’ll put studded winters on mine and all should be good.
    Out of interest what extra fees did the dealership in Edmonton charge you?
    Mine has given me a pre-order discount of $1,338. But then has charge an admin fee of $798 and a freight fee of $1,820.
    The base model PP with a color upgrade, block heater, fees,taxes, discounts and gov rebate comes out to net $35k. How does that compare to what you’re getting up in Edmonton?
     
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    I have a 2022 Prius Prime that I bought in October of last year and used it in Winnipeg this last winter. In summary:
    * no EV mode if colder than -20C
    * occasional EV between -10 and -19C
    * EV available above -10C

    I use mine for approximately 36 km round trip to work. We had a prolonged and extremely cold winter and I used $530 in gas in six months, 7,200 km. On the coldest days, I would use the front windshield defrost to force the ICE to start. Never plugged in the block heater and always started without issue since the chassis battery only powers up the electronics and the traction battery starts the ICE.

    Also on the colder days I did not charge over night, which allowed me to start the PP with a Compustar remote starter to warm the cabin before departing. Search Compustar for a thread on my observations using the remote starter.

    Also on the coldest days, with a traction battery not fully charged, charging the traction battery while driving sped up the cabin heating process.

    The only real cabin heat with very cold temperatures is when the ICE is running.

    Note that earlier model PPs perform differently in cold temps based on comparisons made in other posts. It seams like the 2022 has a bias to run the ICE more so in cold temps than earlier versions.

    Now that we have more seasonable weather above 15C, it is in EV mode as long as I have traction battery available.


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    thanks for sharing this detail, I’m super interested to hear from fellow Canadians who are dealing with a different level of cold temps. I would had never thought that while driving and charging the traction battery would heat the cabin faster.

    Does running ice in -30c keep the cabin warm and windows clear with two adults inside?
    Would EV be able to take over at all after the car warms up at these temps as long as the window defrost is off?
     
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    Under normal temperatures, the cabin is heated (and cooled) by a heat pump. But anything below -10C makes the heat pump ineffective. At colder temperatures, the heating of the cabin is from engine coolant lines that are routed around the exhaust system on the PP. therefore to get heat the ICE needs to be running at cold temps.

    Yes the cabin is warm with the ICE and no window fogging/frost with two adults.

    EV only available after the PP/ICE is warmed up in the temp ranges in my previous posts. I never could get into EV mode below -20C. More so in the range of -10 to -19C if I reduced the cabin temp. But I choose comfort and it was worth the limited gas consumption.

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    HI I orderered my prime 2022 upgrade in mid november 2021 and got it in end of january 2022.
    I paid MSRP got a free Pro Series paint protection film on the hood .Paid 38K$CDN including GST QST Tire levy and the Canada and Québec rebate $6500.
     
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    Oh wow. Alberta only gets $2,500 gov rebate, $6,500 is impressive
     
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    Yes but Quebec Sales tax is 9.975% so it is why Québec rebate is $4000.
     
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    MB has no rebate, so I too only received the Fed $2,500 rebate. Disappointing.

    BTW: I waited one week late last October for my PP. I put down a $2k deposit and gave a list of colour choices in sequence of priority. Dealer found my third colour choice the next day. Glad it was the third, since in hindsight, it probably should have been my first choice.


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    Did any of you guys get the block heater? It does get you cabin heat sooner, accelerates warm-up, and I'd suspect is just "good for the engine", blunting the edge of those brutal prairie cold-starts. I'm not sure how practical it is with a plug-in though, unless you just drive in hybrid mode.
     
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    Mine has the block heater but it does not do much at -30C.


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  19. Joe Cowie

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    brutal, so it just doesn't work at -30C ? All my cars/trucks have had block heaters and I only plug in at -25c and they work really well no matter how cold it gets.
     
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    A block heater warms the coolant thereby making the engine turn over easier when using conventional engine oil. With synthetic oil and the capacity of the traction battery, the traction battery has no problem turning over the engine to start it in extreme cold temperatures. Note that the small 12v battery under the hood does NOT power the starter like a conventional car, the large traction battery in the rear does the cranking of the engine in a PP.

    The small block heater does not heat the coolant very much, if at all when it is -30C. It is rumoured to only be 200W which is not a whole lot. So why bother using it at -30C?


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