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How many more must die?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Robert Taylor, Mar 12, 2005.

  1. Robert Taylor

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ting_atlanta_dc

    Good grief, you think we would learn something by now but noooo, still a significant percentage of law enforcement officers continue to be shot and die from the guns they are issued. How many more must die? If it saves one life it is worth it, just disarm all of law enforcement now, and stop this killing.

    Law enforcement should be armed only with non-lethal weaponry, and that way we can save all of these lives that are lost every year when officers have guns taken from them and are used to kill people with, including themsleves.

    The police make many, many times more shooting mistakes than the average concealed carry pistol permit holder, dispite having a thousand times more training. Why is this?

    You would think we would learn better by now.

    At a minimum, why do they allow any armed police in the building anyway? Some cop killed a politician inside of the municipal offices in NY, and the mayor banned all officers from being armed inside the building anymore.

    This makes sense, why don't we just extend that and disarm all of the cops and save all these lives?

    All of those people would be alive now if not for these armed police.
     
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    absolutely in court houses. But not on the streets.
     
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    While we're at it, just how many people must die before we ban this dangerous device call automobile? It is still by far the largest single preventable killer in United States.
     
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    Hmmm....under this proposal the criminals still have guns but the police do not. So what is the deterant to stop the criminal from shooting the unarmed police officers? Is the officer going to throw something at the criminal?
     
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    There is actually a company in Idaho run by a former cop that has a patent on a gun holster designed for police to avoid just this problem. The link is still up on the www.ktvb.com web site (3/12/05) our local station. Just didn't want to register at yet another site to add the link here.
     
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    I can't get over how only a single deputy (BTW it makes no difference the deputy was a woman) was assigned to guard this big nasty fellow with nothing to lose. It was only a matter of time.

    Of course, I also can't get over how, despite the Liberal Government pumping close to $2 billion taxpayer dollars into a "gun registry" database that *still* doesn't work, that 4 RCMP officers died last week in a shootout in Alberta.

    I agree some places like court should be strictly a weapons-free zone. Just like a federal prison or any other place you can expect to have close contact with a prisoner.

    They should also design appropriate emergency lock-down systems that can operate via "panic button" if a situation does arise. With the assailant locked in, you can then have SWAT or other team use a firing port to deliver Terminal force.

    It's a shame nobody shot that f*** now he'll have an army of lawyers to defend his kooky brain.
     
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    Why not? Taking the guns from the police would mean that they could not be killed by their own weapons anymore.

    All those lives could be saved if guns were taken from police, and that includes the ones who kill themselves deliberately with their own gun.

    And the officer involved shootings of the innocent would stop as well.
     
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    Well, much of that is preventable as well. Many communities are resisting putting in the automated ticketing systems that fine speeders quickly and often enough to have an impact on behavior.

    Eliminate speeding drivers, restrict teen drivers, imprison drunk drivers, all of that would have a strong impact. Getting people to slow down substantially in bad weather and to stop overdriving their headlights would go a long way too.

    Ever consider that federal government subsidies of trucking have had a negative transportation impact? We should rely more upon the more effective methods of rail and waterway cargo transport but the subsidies of large trucks gives an incentive to move goods over roads that are torn up at rates by heavy trucks 9,900 times faster than by the usage of passenger automobiles. Run the trucks off the interstate, get the drunks, underage, etc. and deaths would drop quickly.

    The carnage on the roads is such that we lose more young people in a couple of months in America on the roads than we have in the entire Middle East campaign against Islamic terror bases.
     
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    A 110 pound woman guarding a 200 pound healthy male?

    It is politically correct induced stupidity to do something like that. Having a 110 pound man guard a 200 pound man would be obviously stupid, but the PC blinders induced this idiocy.

    The jailers (sheriff's deputies, both paid and volunteer) are required to lock up their guns before entering the jail facility. The opportunity for a prisoner to get a gun from one of the deputies is therefore reduced to zero.

    Female deputies should be the jailers for female inmates. What happens when males guard females? our current local scandal is that the women prisoners were forced into sexual favors for the male guards.
     
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    All you have to do is drive throughout North West Ontario to prove that theory. All those overloaded pulp trucks pounding up and down the road, carrying heavy loads that would *never* be allowed on Interstate highways.

    I've had friends who are - and this is putting it mildly - fishing fanatics. They have driven up from Nevada and Utah towing their boats behind. One of their favorite spots is Lac Seul which is north of Dryden.

    Especially highway 502 connecting Fort Frances to Dryden is in such terrible shape all of them had damage to their boats and equipment. The posted speed limit is 80 km/h, but over the truly bad bumps and frost heaves you had better slow down to 20 km/h.

    As far as highway carnage, far more police officers are killed in "routine" traffic crashes than in gunfire. The most dangerous time for an officer is when they pull a motorist over and are just about to get out of their car.

    There are many instances of drivers who are drunk, dozy, or just spaced out, who either rear-end the cruiser or hit the officer. I'm sure we've all seen the police cruiser video of officers being struck by cars.

    It's also interesting how many officers are burnt to death in their Ford Crown Victoria police car. The fuel tank is located between the bumper and rear axle, so in a severe rear-end impact the fuel tank is ruptured and ignites.

    Although the new Chevy Impala police car is a bit slower and smaller than the Crown Vic, so far it appears to be far safer.
     
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    You got it.
     
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    In the court room (or anywhere a prisoner is being accompanied) - 3 guards, 2 unarmed with the prisoner, the third - armed, but well behind in an observational position, ready for action if needed. Of course the unarmeds are wearing bullet-proof vests. and are not half the weight of the prisoner.