How many of you want more electric only range?

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  1. Blue-Adept

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    Love my Prius Prime but I want more EV range. In EV mode I couldn't ask for a better feeling when driving in EV. I charge at home and and work all the time. But if only it had 50 miles or more of EV Range.

    Will need another car in a year and a half so I may pick up a used 17 or 18 Volt just for more range. Will keep the Prime for the wife.

    Really thinking about the future so that I can pay cash for the next car.

    How many of you thought about a Volt, Clarity or I3 Rex?

    How many want 100 mile range or more from Toyota?

    If Toyota had a Hybrid with 100 or more miles would you just trade in your Prime?

    I would.

    Blue
     
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    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    A Car that you can afford is more useful than a car you can't afford. The Prime an go anywhere in town on electric, here. out of town, it is a hybrid.
     
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    For now, I’m satisfied with the 26 winter, 36 mile summer electric range. My *commute* is only 9 miles one way, so I have plenty for most days. Yes, more miles would be nice for those 3-4 trips a year I take to the other side of the city, but even 100 mile range wouldn’t get me to the beach, or get my wife to her favorite casino :) . Generally, more range = greater weight = lower economy. Guess I’d feel different if my standard daily drive was 40-50 miles.

    My daughter and son-in-law took delivery of their Tesla Model-3 last week. What a car! Great range, but $60K would be pretty steep for me.
     
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    This is my 3rd Prius over 13 years. The Prime makes me want more EV. Alot of days I don't use any gas at all. But other days I drive over the EV range and it makes me wish for more.

    I could have bought a much more expensive car but I always come back to the Prius. I currently have a 2007 Prius and 2018 Prime.
    Also a 2013 Rav4 and a 1999 Camry.
    Toyota's have never let me down. Unlike Chrysler or GM.

    Toyota should create a line of Primes for the lack of a better word that have 6 kWh, 24 kWh and a 48 kWh battery option.

    Since the drive train and engine could stay the same the battery and charging system could be the only changes. Suspension would need changes.

    I just want more EV. Cost could be kept in check with the option of the battery.

    Blue
     
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    I thought about the Volt (and CMAX) before getting the prime, but range was the biggest problem with it (range of EV and HV together, the prime beats it easiily that way) Also not having some of the things I wanted like a light colored interior was a killer.) While a longer range would be nice, I'll be keeping the Prime for quite awhile.
     
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    After decommissioning rusty AWD Sienna minivan earlier this year, I have been looking for a second car. Thought about Leaf and Clarity, and even second Prime but cargo space limitations and no AWD were deal breaker. I also looked into 2018 Mit Outlander PHEV and 2018 RAV4 Hybrid but neither had acceptable mpg. I am waiting for Toyota to unveil 2019 RAV4 Hybrid. Or maybe wait for Honda CRV hybrid. Yes, longer EV range would be nice, but in our local, EV and HV cost difference are negligible, I want a car with at least 40 mpg on HV side and AWD with a lot of cargo space, and if it comes with any EV that would be a bonus.
     
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    Once you drive EV you get hooked. It is so much smoother of a ride. I would like a longer range as well. Still like knowing I can rely on...what is that stuff called...oh, yeah, fuel, gas, yes, that is it.
     
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    I wanted an EPA EV range of at least 30 miles in order to qualify for my state's sales tax exemption for plug-in cars. But while I was too busy elsewhere to pay attention, the legislature yanked that back in May as part of my state's perpetual budget crisis, so my reason is now gone.

    I didn't jump last year due to the poor manufacturer incentives in my geographic region, so the out-the-door price offers simply didn't get down to my threshold.
     
  9. schja01

    schja01 One of very few in Chicagoland

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    With any pure electric comes the “range anxiety”. I wanted nothing to do with that. Also saved a boatload not needing a L2 thingy. Beside as a hybrid it’s excellent so whether on electric or gas it’s terrific.
     
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  10. Tideland Prius

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    I assume you know about the upgrades to the 2019 Outlander PHEV? hybrid/gas mpg will improve significantly as they'll update the engine specs and run on the Atkinson cycle. Minor updates to the electric side (motors and batteries getting small boosts)
     
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    Yap, I am on a watch. But not expecting for Mit to pull off >40mpg. Even Toyota with rumor for '19 RAV4 hybrid having 52mpg in Europe seems to be going to downgraded to ~40mpg by EPA.
     
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    Again summers 36electric winter's 26electric, I save the electric for low speeds and use gas for high speeds and hills, a pure electric with 300 mile range Prius would be nice, not as much range anxiety, except when the power is out, and making trips, and what would it weight.
    Just started using the GM card again, points toward a GM product, might get a GM electric toy.
    Just got rid of a BMW X1, wouldn't consider another BMW, the dealer was very dishonest in repair prices, if it's no fun, what's the point.
    Right now I wouldn't consider a Tesla, only a Tesla dealer can service it, if you talk about it on social media you can't go to a Tesla dealer, so much secrecy, so little information, no way of actually knowing about dependability, no thanks.

    The tide is turning, more choices are becoming available, but in the meantime, 94 mpg overall, summer and winter in the NorthEast works.
     
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    That would get really weird with tax schemes tied to battery sizes. Tread carefully.
     
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    you have to consider cost. adding more and more battery to a hybrid comes with cost and space implications.
    volt has other trade offs. some can live with them, some can't. look at sales.

    i would like more than 14 miles ev, but unwilling to give up prime hatch space.
     
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    I wonder if the spare tire well under that battery can be used for more battery?

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    there is no spare tire well. you mean the big air gap?
     
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    Better use of that air gap would certainly help attract me into the Prime world. The reduced cargo capacity is one of the few things holding me back.
     
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    Yeah that’s not gonna happen. I suspect the new RAV4 will top 40 mpg combined so the 2019 Outlander PHEV may be closer to 32-35mpg in hybrid mode.

    Ideally it’ll be liquid cooled so that it doesn’t need need space. However, it’s a bit of an overkill for a battery this small. Plus, it adds cost with minimal benefit (keeping the battery size in mind).

    Now if they could increase the charge/discharge rate and have a denser battery, then liquid cooling will help.
     
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    I would prefer 100 miles per charge. EV driving is fun. With gas tax going up in NJ, EV driving makes even more sense particularly when there are free EV recharging stations near by
     
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    Agreed. This car is eventually going to lose its tax credit deal... say that comes to pass. Now add a bigger battery and you've got (yet another) $40k car with most of the same stats as a $20k car except it can drive electric part time.

    I'm not going to deny the appeal of a prime with a bigger battery- but is it worth paying double?

    To be clear- I think it's probably worth a lot to have the best of both worlds. Lots of battery capacity and a full-fledged engine too? Why wouldn't that cost a lot?

    The question is- is it actually worth it?
     
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