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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by TheForce, Oct 5, 2007.

  1. TheForce

    TheForce Stop War! Lets Rave! Make Love!

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    I’m not very good at making “How To” articles but I will give it a try. This is just a quick write up so there might be some splling errors and grammar mistakes. I will update this first post with any new information or correction if necessary.

    How to spot a spam bot post.

    I won’t go into detail on how or why spam bots work but I will give you some tips on how to spot them. It’s pretty easy to spot spam bot posts because they are all similar in how the message and profile is formed. To make a post a bot must be able to successfully register and then make the actual post. To do this it must select every available option when registering because some sites have “required” fields. That usually means selecting the very first or very last options on the registration form. If there is a text box to fill in the bot will usually put something in generic. Once the registration is complete the bot can now make its first post. The bot will still fill in every option available to make sure its post gets successfully submitted. These two things are the key on spotting a bot post.

    Here is what you need to look for.

    In the profile…

    You can’t tell from the username alone because that is one this these bots do pretty well but sometimes the username can really stand out and be obvious.

    The “My Car” will almost always be the last available option or the newest model year. For the current model Prius it will be “2008 Prius".

    The “Package” will always be the last available package. Currently the last package is “Package: #9”

    The “From” option can be different things. I have mostly seen bots use either USA, US, and UK. This field can be other things if the spammer has taken the time to set the bot up.


    In the message…

    The message will almost always be posted the same day the bot registers but this does not mean that it’s a bot. Some new members post the same day they register so don’t rely on the dates to determine that it’s a bot. Some bots will wait a day or two to post if configured correctly.

    The topic will %99 of the time will be posted in the first or generic posting area of the forum. For priuschat.com that would be the “Prius main forum”. Some bots if configured correctly can post in off topic forums to help hide their spam.

    Since the bot always make use of every option you will always see a smiley face like this :) next to the topic title. It will look just like my topic title for this topic.

    The topic title will %99 of the time be WAY off topic or can be something like “Hello everyone” or “Hi how are you” or “I’m new here”. Sometimes the topic can be about needing help for an unrelated matter like “I need help finding free scanning software”.

    The body of the message will not always include a spam link to an unrelated website. But the body of the message will sometimes be generic like the title.


    To see if the message is in fact a spam bot post you should do some google searching on the username and or the posted message. Chances are that this spam bot has posted before in other forums using the same username, topic, and message. All you have to do is copy some of the message from the post and paste it in the google search box. I recommend putting quotes around the texts so you get a more accurate search. If you find the exact same message multiple times you have a spam bot.


    This should help anyone to recognize a spam bot. Just don’t go accusing a new member of being a bot until you at least check with google searches because you never know if someone was just a little click happy and filled in everything.


    Please feel free to add anything I may have missed and I will add it to this first post.
     
  2. jiepsie

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    I think that was a spam bot posting ;-)
     
  3. MegansPrius

    MegansPrius GoogleMeister, AKA bongokitty

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    Thanks for the info. I'd wondered why the bot posts always had the smiley.
     
  4. efusco

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    Can you explain why spam bots post like this at all. IOW, what's the point of having a spam bot post and what can be done to prevent the coming spam once the bot is recognized.

    Are you aware of any easy modifications to IPB forums like Priuschat that can block the bots?
     
  5. qbee42

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 5 2007, 11:27 AM) [snapback]521745[/snapback]</div>
    Many sites use a human readable field with funny looking letters and number, which then have to be typed into an input field. People are good at reading the irregular characters, but the bots can't do it.

    Tom
     
  6. daniel

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    Isn't it pretty obvious when post is spam? (E.g. advertisement for sex products or advise to buy a stock nobody's ever heard of.) And in that case, does it matter whether it was posted by a bot or a person?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Oct 5 2007, 11:54 AM) [snapback]521769[/snapback]</div>
    Spam bots are a bigger problem because they work tirelessly around the clock.

    Tom
     
  8. efusco

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Oct 5 2007, 10:54 AM) [snapback]521769[/snapback]</div>
    No, it's not always easy...and much of it you never notice or are never bothered by.

    Here's the latest 'benign' spam bot post...I've moved it to Fred's, but it was originally in the Main Forum as Jay points out is common in the original post... Notice that a couple members actually warmly welcomed the new "member".
    http://priuschat.com/just-wanted-to-t39482.html

    I guess what I was trying to ask above is what the point of posts like this is exactly.
     
  9. TheForce

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    Those are some good questions.

    I remember reading or hearing about posts like this a while ago and remember something along the lines that the spamer would want to see how many listings they could get on google and they are able to get better ranks somehow.

    One thing I haven’t checked is to see if the spammer put a URL in the home page area of the profile. If this is the case they could get their spam site ranked higher when they put in a home page in the profile. When this is done, posting a simple message will bring out the account to google when it does it normal sweeps of the forum. Google sees the username link and follows it to the profile information and keeps following any links.

    I don’t know of anything for the IPB forum software because I’m not that familiar with the options available. I use PHPnuke for one of my sites with phpbb as the forum. I know there are solutions on keeping bots out of those. I would check around to see if there are any mods to deliver a better random image validation when registering or an option to answer custom questions when registering.

    I think a better image validation would be a better choice because the current one can be decoded by any OCR program out there and I think that’s how spam bots are getting through.

    Just seen where Evan moved the spam bot and not deleted it. Looks like there was no home page listed so I dont know what the motive was for that.

    [edit] It could be that maybe the spammer is testing out some new spamming software and did not care about spamming links this round.
     
  10. efusco

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    I always had the sense that those posts were 'feeler' posts to see if they could get through. Often a post like that is followed by an onslaught of 'real' spam.
     
  11. darelldd

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 5 2007, 09:17 AM) [snapback]521799[/snapback]</div>
    Yeah, that would be my guess too.

    This brings up the question of those odd spam emails that seem benign as well. Many don't have a URL to click, or even a request to respond. They're just some crazy info. Is this just for fun? Usually, you can figure out the scam, but sometimes I just sit and scratch my head. What are they after? And why can't we reliably get rid of them!?
     
  12. TheForce

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    I think the security code confirmation desperately needs to be updated because they are just plain text images. If they could be replaced with better harder to read images it should make it harder for spam bots to register unless of course there is a back door hack around the image. If that’s the case then IPB needs updated.
     
  13. tripp

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 5 2007, 10:05 AM) [snapback]521785[/snapback]</div>
    They're probably (though in your example it doesn't seem to be the case) trying to point links from PC (or any other site for that matter) to their sites to increase search engine rankings. Prius Chat is a PR5 site (I'm actually a little surprised it's only a 5) so having non-reciprocal links from PC to site X will help site X's search engine rankings.

    Again, I can't see the point in this one. There are no links anywhere. Was the OP edited by the mods?
     
  14. efusco

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    The only other thought for the 'benign' posts is that a few sites have their software set up that prevents the poster from posting images or URLs in their very first post....a bot post without an image or url first would open the door for follow up posts of porn images and such. Priuschat doesn't have that first post limitation.

    Danny commented that the site software would be updated soon...perhaps the security can be improved then too.
     
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    "Probing" is a good guess, but passing the first post limitation sounds like a winner. I guess they're similar though

    My $0.02 on better interception: server-side software that generates garbled text, but layers it onto a random image. Then ask the user for both the text, and an identification of the image content. OCR is easy but any sort of cognitive process is not so easy... e.g. 5 red blocks, 3 green triangles, 2 green circles, and a blue trapezoid in the image, followed by "How many green circles are there?" Then image generation can be scripted to be both random, but also easy to identify.

    Then again, some of the same tricks would apply for spammers. Especially the one where some site offers something like free porn, as long as you identify some image correctly... while the image really was lifted from another site, and the spambot is using your answer to gain access elsewhere. :(
     
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    The best deterrent I've used is a unique system with a "word problem". On one customer's site, we have a paragraph like this:

    "Please put the number "seventeen seventy six" in the box below." Others that work are math problems that are spelled out, such as "To register, we require you to put the answer in the box below. What is two plus eight?"

    The reason they work is that they exist only for that site. A bot is effective because it can surf to millions of sites in a single evening, and some of the graphic image CAPTCHAs can be defeated by brute force ... the bot simply tries hundreds of times with a database of known answers to images for a very popular forum software.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fshagan @ Oct 5 2007, 10:56 PM) [snapback]522098[/snapback]</div>
    Somebody would probably try to sue the site owner for descrimination of stupid people.

    Honestly though, this makes SO much more sense than trying to read those dang "art words" that I get wrong more than half the time. And if you couldn't answer two plus eight, you could keep asking for other problems until one plus one came up.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(darelldd @ Oct 6 2007, 06:12 PM) [snapback]522295[/snapback]</div>
    The first script I saw that did this was an hack for phpBB called "MyVIP code" or something like that. The original concept used a word from the "Read this" page right before the registration page, but people found it was just as effective to have a uniquely worded question and a response box.
     
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    If one of you guys could e-mail me detailed instructions for how to modify the registration page with something like this I'll get Danny's approval then see if we can institute something like that. I'm sick and tired of dealing with spam and am more than ready to try something to make it a lot harder for the bots to get through.

    evanfusco AT AOL
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 6 2007, 08:15 PM) [snapback]522334[/snapback]</div>
    I have the text file that explains how to implement it in phpBB, but I'm not sure how that translates to working in the IPB software PC uses. I'm not familiar with IPB, but someone that knows both phpBB and IPB could probably adapt the modification. I sent you a copy of it via email.