Hugo Chavez, The man behind Citgo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 28 2006, 09:46 PM) [snapback]325373[/snapback]</div>

I hope charlie rangel is the only guy buying his gas at citgo - i for one and my wife and the three children of mine who are driving are staying far away.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 28 2006, 07:03 PM) [snapback]325383[/snapback]</div>

Welp . . . Actually, Charlie ripped on Hugo too.
Click on (Watch Rangel rip Chavez -- 1:28 ) in the third paragraph. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/

 

The obsession of the Bushies with Chavez just shows their hypocracy. The neocons always talking about democracy. Well, Chavez is the elected President of Venezuala, and he was elected not once, but twice if you count the recall election. The guy is something of a loose cannon, obviously, but at least he is doing positive things for the poor of his country, which is more than can be said for his predecessors. And judging by the reaction he got to his UN speech, he is not the only world leader who has that opinion of Bush.

I buy gas at 7/11s, the Citgo distributor in NM, at least for a few more months.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(abqrichard @ Sep 28 2006, 11:31 PM) [snapback]325439[/snapback]</div>

...or his U.S. counterpart.

 

One of the great things about NJ is all the off-brand gas stations we have ... Jersey Gas, Raceway, Delta, etc. So I can avoid obviously lining the pockets of Exxon/Mobil, Hugo Chavez, etc.

Of course the flip side of that is I don't know who provides these no-names with their gas in the first place.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(abqrichard @ Sep 29 2006, 12:31 AM) [snapback]325439[/snapback]</div>

you may want to test the accuracy of that election where there were 30,000 voters over the age of 100 not to mention 100's of thousands dead people and mcdonalds voting - something akin of what we call a "chicago" election.

i could not care less about him or his country - i will not support him with my money - you can if you want to.

you must like bush too because he is doing + things for his country.

let me ask a hypothetical - was hitler a good president of germany - he cured his country of inflation and unemployment to name a few good things he did?

 

I suspect that there's minimal connection between the owner or brand name of a gas station and the source(s) of the oil that go into the gas at that station, with the world market juggling shipments to minimize shipping distances by meeting demand from the nearest supply, both well-to-refinery and refinery-to-gas-station.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 29 2006, 06:19 AM) [snapback]325487[/snapback]</div>

Ah, now I understand why you like Bush so much.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Sep 29 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]325562[/snapback]</div>

i do not like him - i respect what he is doing.

how about my question above about hitler being a good president??

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 28 2006, 09:46 PM) [snapback]325373[/snapback]</div>

here is the translation of an article from the Venezuala News - a recent article. I will let you, as always, reach your own conclusions:

Zionists, the destructive sect of radical Jews, are again impregnating the Jewish community with its animosity towards humanity. The genocide they executed in Palestine and Lebanon is similar to the Holocaust which the Nazis executed against them, and they will undergo another Holocaust because of the global hatred they are accumulating. If the Jews have charged the Nazis for their victims, they will have to pay Lebanon for their killings. The Jewish race is condemned to disappear, because if they continue marrying among themselves they will continue to degenerate; if they open their marriages they will racially dilute themselves, so they only recourse is to stay united, to provoke wars,and auto-genocides.

Possibly, we’ll have to expel them from the country, as other nations have done, which is the reason that Jews remain in a continuous state of stateless exodus, and it is why in 1948 they invaded Palestine, guided by Albion. Will global justice allow the United States, England, and Israel to destroy the Middle East to take over its oil? Only the union of its people will save them.

 

We havn't any Citgo stations in my area, so I'm not buying gas from Chavez, - or am I (and you)??? Does crude only go to refineries selling one brand of petro? Does Citgo gas only come from Citgo refineries? Does Citgo even have their own refinery? And of course these same questions can apply to any other brand. The fact is, in my area, there two refineries (Ashland and Koch), anyone ever seen either of these brands of refined gas? The fact is, these two refineries supply EVERY brand of gas be it BP, Exxon, Superamerica (local brand in the midwest), etc. the difference is in the additives which are added when loaded on the trucks for delivery. There was a very good show about this on one the the "Modern Marvels" episodes that the History Channel runs, if you ever get a chance to see, it's a worthwhile view.

In fact, the vast majority of gas that goes through our Prius comes from Canada, being in Minnesota and all . But the real question is, which is worse, buying oil from Hugo Chavez who says noughty and insulting things about our leaders, or buying oil from the mideast where some of the profits go to kill and wound our GI's? I for one would prefer not to buy from either, that's my position and I'm sticking to it, so there...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Sep 29 2006, 02:54 PM) [snapback]325788[/snapback]</div>

A mayor of New Orleans once remarked that the eagle is a poor choice for a national symbol. It's regarded as a brave bird, but is in fact a coward who cuts and runs:

Put an eagle on a railroad track and let a train come, and what does that eagle do? He flies away. But if you put a crawfish on a railroad track, he stands his ground. The crawfish is a much more apt symbol of bravery.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 29 2006, 11:21 AM) [snapback]325660[/snapback]</div>

Do you have a link to Chavez's original words in Spanish? I'd like to see if this is genuine.

 

Why is it brave to get run over by a train?

 

Ben Franklin wanted the Turkey as our national symbol. Sad part about the whole mess is that Hugo Chavez is an idiot, same as GWB is, but Hugo is correct to name GWB a satan, because he is pretty close to one. As far as the eagle stuff goes, the eagle is definitely not the US, because we will never bring peace to the Middle East.

 

"Citgo Petroleum, the Houston-based subsidiary of Venezuela's state oil company, provided $100 million of free heating oil in the 2007-08 winter to residents in 23 states, including 65 Indian tribes, said Brian O'Connor, a spokesman for Citizens Energy."
Venezuela's Chávez shuts off free oil program for US poor | csmonitor.com
Citgo resumes oil donations for the poor - BostonHerald.com

"The Venezuelan leader, a fierce critic of Bush, spoke just hours after Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. pledged a US$1 million (euro820,000) donation for hurricane aid, and after his government offered humanitarian workers and fuel to help.
"It's a terrible tragedy that our North American brothers are living through," Chavez said. "We have a battalion from our Simon Bolivar humanitarian team ready in case they authorize it for us to go there, if they give us the green light."
He said Citgo was already giving aid to some 2,000 flood victims in the area of its refinery in Lake Charles, Louisiana. "We have given US$1 million (euro820,000), a modest sum," he said."
Chavez Criticizes U.S. Response to Katrina