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HV battery corrosion

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Flying White Dutchman, Oct 3, 2008.

  1. Flying White Dutchman

    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

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    anyone sean this before
    2005 prius
    its from a salvage pruis but not a flooded one
    also the compleet battery pack is clean like new!
    battery ECU and contactors are all clean.
     

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    Interesting. The Classic Prius traction battery pack tends to show much worse corrosion as the battery module sealing is not very good.

    Is the corrosion widespread on the busbar hardware, or does it appear only on the two modules that you photographed?

    My guess is that if you remove the busbar and look behind the modules that produced the corrosion, you will see some electrolyte leaking out from the terminal.

    Regarding the terminals that are corroded, does the corrosion appear solely on one polarity terminal (i.e., the positive side or the negative side only)?
     
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    its al almost all the modules and both sides!
    the rest of the battery pack is clean and its not a floodcar.
    tested al the cells and all same voltage 7,66 only 3 are 7.655

    also discovered this! pictures! some cells are marked!
     

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    whats the busbar?
    i dont hope its because electrolyte is leaking!
    because that will mean a prius pack with a failure!
     
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    The battery has two busbars, one on either side of the battery. These are the orange plastic assemblies with copper conductors that are partially shown in your photos.

    Assuming that you plan to put the battery in service, I suggest that you remove the busbars, clean off the corrosion the best you can, then reassemble.
     
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    You might discuss the situation with Bob Wilson (posts here) because he has done major work in refilling and sealing NiMH cells.
     
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    ok but is it a fact that this corrosion will alway mean electrolyte leaked? or maybe just a moisture environment or maybe just a bad assembly pack?
     
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    it looks like its copper oxidation
    @ patrick - negative side only almost nothing or just nothing on the plus side. ( just 2 or 3 have a little but there next to a heavy oxidate MIN side )
    i trying to clean i it a bit as you can see from the last 2 pictures
    any tips on cleaning that?
     

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    Seems reasonable to use fine sandpaper to clean the copper.

    What is the black ring around each of the battery terminals - is that sealant or is that leaking electrolyte?

    Are the serial numbers of the battery modules consecutive, or do they jump around? I am wondering whether someone swapped modules in and out of the battery pack before you bought it.

    BTW in case you do not have a repair manual, note that the tightening torque of the nuts that hold the busbars to the module terminals is 48 in.-lb, 5.4 Nm, or 55 kgf-cm.
     
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    mmm i wil have a look at the serials....
    and about the black ring around it i don't now.. how can i identify electrolyte?

    but i now that the corrosion is just copper oxidation don't think its got anything to do with electrolyte leaking.

    and when i take my finger over the black ring i can wipe it off.

    there are 26 copper connections and 4 metal plated and those metal plated have no oxidations at all
     
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    this happened to my 01 prius, sunday its going in for a replacement HV battery due to severe corossion ( free of charge)
     
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    yes but corrosion or copper oxidation .. is that the same?
    and you get a compleet new HV batt just because of that?
    wy not clean or replace the copper? and place the HV batt back.?
    if this is the case with your 01 prius then i think there will be a lot priusses GEN 2 that have this problem.....
    did your dealer tell you or can you ask wy it corroded?and how did you discover the this?

    picture is from the cleaned ( as far i got it ) copper connecting plates
     

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    reaction about the black ring and electrolyte leaking

    the black ring is on all the connection points so if this is because of the leaking then i need to see oxidation/corrosion on all copper plates but i only see them on MIN connectors.:confused:

    if i can only find out how to test leaking of that chemical?
     
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    The 'black stuff' around the terminal is the rubber O-ring. Under stress, the batteries develop significant internal pressure and over time, it appears to seep out around the terminal, primarily the positive terminal.

    The electrolyte is KOH. If you have a PH kit, you should be able to take a swab of the area and detect a high level, 12+.

    Sorry but I'm fighting off a cold this weekend and other maladies. I'll go back to sleep now:

    http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/pri_batt.html

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Some aquarium/pet shops may sell pH paper?

    The recommended way to neutralize KOH is with boric acid (pharmacy), but baking soda (NaHCO3) would work reasonably well as a ocnvenient alternative.

    Hot tea, honey and lemon, Bob.
     
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    @bob
    i think you need to try to stop the leaking with some hot choco milk;)
    then take some thing to try to keep it from futher leaking:D
    and get some water to refill the body:p
    There is no warranty so i hope it all works out good and you get it fixed:cool:


    ok OT again haha

    what is KOH?

    i will reassemble the copper busbar today

    i cleaned most of the oxidation. i placed the copper in coca cola ( its the wy to clean copper oxidation from the past )
    and shops are closed and this next week will be a busy one for mee so dont have time to get a PH measurement.

    if the pack is damaged and leaked then thats bad luck i got it from a salvage prius.

    i measured all the cells ( not under load yet ) and beside a small 0,005 volt deferents there all the same. 7,66=7,655 volts

    so i think i am OK with this pack
    its normal i geus sometime for a pack ( or maybe if we all look at our packs we have it all or a lott of them ) to show this kind of oxidation.
     
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    Good idea about using Coca Cola. I guess my digestive system should not have any copper oxidation within, given that fluid's cleaning power which you demonstrated...

    KOH is potassium hydroxide.

    What is the model year and odometer reading of the car that your salvage battery came from?
     
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    I understand there is a shortage of Classic traction batteries; 4 - 8 week delay to receive a new battery. Has your replacement battery arrived at the dealer?
     
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    I recently purchased and installed a newer / lower mile HV Battery in my 2006 Prius which gave me an opportunity to dissect the original battery.

    I was surprised to see all the corrosion on the bus bar terminals. I'm thinking the corrosion build up on the battery is partly due to the AC drain line clog I had on my car last year. That issue lead to a temporary build up of moisture in the car which most likely resulted in the corrosion seen in the following pics.

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    My plan is to drop the nuts and bus bar plates into a cup filled with CLR over night then use a dremel tool to finish the job. I'll clean off the battery terminals with a soft wire brush.

    If I apply petroleum jelly to the finished products, will that hurt the conductivity of the parts in question?

    Thanks,

    Mylar
     
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