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HV Frame Cable Replacement

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Desi420, Mar 16, 2015.

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    Hi all,

    New Prius owner..
    Purchased a project 2013 Prius from auction. This car had it's Hybrid battery stolen and the HV cable cut behind the passenger seat. My plan is to replace the HV cable and put new battery and give this car to my Dad on his 75th birthday. The car has less then 10K miles on it.

    Well over the weekend, I started taking the cut cable out. I got it almost out but can't access one bolt behind the cylinder block. From top its looks impossible to there there. From underneath, I can see it but can't get any tools there.

    So the questions are, has anyone done this in past? Any tips or trick to get to this nut? Will the repair manual show how to get to the nut?

    Any help will be appreciated.
     
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    welcome. sorry no idea, but a great birthday gift! all the best.(y)
     
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    This focus of this video (by NutzAboutBolts, thanks!!!) is spark plug access, but it describes in detail the steps required to access the rear of engine area. You need to remove the trim at bottom of windshield, wiper arms and motors. Crazy but necessary. Do this and you should get decent access.

     
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    Wow. This is great find. Thank you.
    Now I just have to wait for another warm weekend in Chicago.. ;)
    Thanks again.

    BTW. lesson learned.
    -Don't buy a used HV cable. Most of the locking clips breaks during uninstall.
     
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    On the one hand: you maybe wouldn't have this vehicle if the battery hadn't been stolen. On the other hand, the idiots that would do something like cut the cable, they should be... mmm, better not say, lol.
     
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    Ya, I think this happens quite often. I found similar type of theft posted on YouTube.


    Mine was in pretty much same shape but only the HV cable was cut.
     
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    Electrocuted by 201 volts? Too bad there were those HV shut-off relays!
     
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    I don't know if the "v" wagon uses a different HV battery, but dissimilarities might hopefully mean that it is less likely to be stolen.

    Best wishes on your endeavor. It's a real nice thing to be doing for your dad.

    As far as I can see, a lot of senior citizens are driving really old gas guzzling "boats" or newer sub-compact Kias and Huyndais. Both are less than ideal for them. Unfortunately, that's about all they can afford.
     
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    Thanks Mike.

    UPDATE: The HV cable is on back order in North America. PN: 82164-47080
    One of the online part store told me that its been like that since November 2014. :(:(
     
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    Thank you for the link ;)
     
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    You're welcome.

    Quoted from a Department of Energy report from Oak Ridge, TN;


    "The conductor size has
    decreased significantly from the 2004 to the 2010 Prius (motor and generator are the same), the result of
    increased voltage and speed with only a slightly higher power rating. The 2010 Prius conductors contain
    50 unbundled, 0.45 mm diameter wires, and in all, is approximately equivalent to an 8 American wire
    gauge (AWG) wire."



    .If you can get a "pigtail" including where it is cut off at a wrecking yard. I saw a suitable at Harbor Freight for about $55, The red 8 gauge insulated crimp butt connectors can be had at any large electrical supplies outlet.

    The conductors would work just as well as a complete cable.
     
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    The cables are shielded. A close equivalent is probably EXRAD-150-FXSI-10. Joining shielded cable with a butt connector will be challenging, while keeping cable integrity and dielectric rating, and avoiding a fire hazard in the back of your car. Now, if you could find the complete cable assembly in a salvage yard, uncut....

    I've never found (well, also haven't looked very hard) any source to order that Exrad cable. I guess if it came down to needing to order a spool of the stuff, I'd go in on a group purchase just to have some around....

    -Chap
     
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    Ya, it will be bit hard to connect them in reliable manner. BUT...
    To my surprise, got email last night that my part is on its way to me. :):) It will be delivered on EOD on Thursday.

    Just hope the weather cooperate this weekend in Chicago. ;)

    Have question on torque.
    Is there a cheat sheet on what to torque the bolts to? :rolleyes:
    Is there a direct correlation between size and the torque.
     
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    Capture.JPG This is at the battery end end. Orientation is standing at the hatch opening, looking in at left/rear corner of battery. I think.

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    And two pictures at the inverter end:

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    Addendum: frame wire connection at inverter:

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    (all the same torque)
     
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    As far as I can see, those two pictures at the inverter end are for the cables that connect the two transaxle motors, MG1 and MG2. What you'll want to find is the connection of the forward end of your frame cable.

    Now, if you sign up over at techinfo.toyota.com (which may set you back a modest $15), you'll have total access to the pictures Mendel sent, the other pictures Mendel didn't send, and answers to whatever other questions might come to your mind during the work. It's hard to overstate how thorough and useful Toyota's manuals are. :)

    -Chap
     
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    Perfect. Thank you both.

    Do you have any info on torque for 90119-12336 & 90119-14101 in this image.
    2015-03-24
    I had to remove the passenger side plate(52257).

    I might sign up for that.

    Thanks again.
     
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    Not 100% sure, but I think they're these?

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    Thanks again. :)
     
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    I forgot to answer this part of your question. The answer is, kind of in general, yes, if you know the size, thread pitch, material, and hardness of the fastener and what it is threaded into. There are some general references for that (the book titled Machinery's Handbook is probably the granddaddy of them).

    Toyota has used a marking system for their nuts and the heads of their bolts, and the table from nut mark/head mark/size&pitch to "normal" torque is given in the manual (in my 2001 that's pages SS-1 and SS-2, don't know where they'd be in the 2013 but should not be hard to find).

    The thing is, there are special applications all over the car with their own specific requirements and torques, so a lot of fasteners will have explicit torques given in the instructions that pertain to that part. The general tables on SS-1 and SS-2 are for the situations where an explicit torque isn't shown.

    -Chap
     
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