Featured Hyundai Ioniq6 Tops 361 miles EPA and 140MPGe (4.15mi/kWh)

Daaaaang !! - loving the ionic 5 (what looks like) higher / taller roof ... but with the boot in efficiency & range? I may have to rethink our next purchase! It charges iirc on 800V when hooked to the appropriate DCFC also - right?
BTW - checking around, Forbes reports drag CD a little bit lower.
2023 Hyundai Ioniq 6: Reviews, Photos & Specs - Forbes Wheels

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Found a Korean site that says 650V


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It looks like a great bev. Still for those that want range and luxury I'm not sure why they don't offer options like SEL and limited on the rwd top range model.

 

Same reason as Toyota not doing it with the Camry hybrid and new Prii?

 

I think that is a really great benefit - most every other Automaker is going the opposite direction and finding ways to charge their customers for subscription fees.

Hyundai also bucked the trend with their free Maintenace service for 3 years 36,000 miles and outstanding warranty - 10 years - 100,000 miles for their powertrain warranty.

I believe Hyundai is making a strong statement with their product, customer service and warranty.

 

After four years and 93,000 miles, my state of the art in 2019 Tesla is looking a little worse for wear. Then I looked at the chart and the Korean "George Santos" must have filled out the Tesla column.

Bob Wilson

 

EPA mpge and range values are total garbage.

For example, Lucid Air shows as 140/141/140 mpge combined/city/highway. How can the city/highway be 1:1? It should be around 3:2. I don't know how EPA messed up their EV fuel economy and range estimations so badly. It is going to take them decades to correct it.

 

Didn't check every item of the chart, but some of it is correct for Tesla; they changed things last summer. The standard connectivity is free for 8 years, and there doesn't seem to be an option for it after that. Premium is $10/month.

"Standard Connectivity offers Bluetooth® pairing, FM radio, Sirius XM capability in North America (for XM-enabled and configured vehicles) and playback from a USB drive."
Connectivity | Tesla Support
Does that mean you need a connectivity subscription to listen to music in a Tesla? Good thing I still have my Discman.

https://electrek.co/2022/07/27/tesla-end-unlimited-standard-connectivity-8-year-limit/
https://screenrant.com/tesla-premium-connectivity-features-explained/

You not reaching EPA in your Prime?

How do you figure 3:2?

How could it be 1:1? Well, the Air has a Cd of 0.21, and being AWD likely means one of the motors is 'geared' for highway cruising. Lucid might be ahead of Tesla on motor efficiency. Two motors and a big battery can do a good job recapturing energy when braking.

Also, the highway test does have a top speed of just 60mph with an average of 48.3mph. The high speed test used for part of the adjustment hits 80mph, but the average only goes up to 48.4mpg.

 

@Trollbait

Didn't check every item of the chart, but some of it is correct for Tesla; they changed things last summer.​

After expanding the chart so it is readable, I only checked the cells that claimed the Tesla lacked some feature:

• Auto Collision Assistance - Collision Avoidance Assist
• SOS Assistance - What is your car's SOS button? | Parkers.
• GPS Roadside Assistance - Roadside Assistance | Tesla Support
• Stolen Vehicle Tracking -
• Sports/Stocks/Weather - Tesla comes with an FM radio receiver and a browser that works even when my iPhone is working as a hotspot ... on the road.

I have not tested most of the features, no accidents yet. However, I have used my iPhone as a mobile hotspot and brought up with Warz screen on the browser while driving down the road.

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@Trollbait

The standard connectivity is free for 8 years, and there doesn't seem to be an option for it after that. Premium is $10/month​

"Standard Connectivity offers Bluetooth® pairing, FM radio, Sirius XM capability in North America (for XM-enabled and configured vehicles) and playback from a USB drive."
Connectivity | Tesla Support​

Tesla offers "Premium Connectivity" starting at $9.99/mo.

Some of these features entail the iPhone App which is bluetooth integrated with the Tesla. My Tesla comes with G3/G4/G5 connectivity. Although the Tesla may have a different interface than the Hyundai such as using the integrated iPhone App, the functions exist. Just ask Mr. Google. <GRINS>

Bob Wilson

 

Tesla has been cheating EPA on mpge and range numbers | Page 7 | PriusChat

F (force) = A + Bv + Cv²
W (work) = E (energy) = Fd (force times distance)
E (energy) / d (distance) = F (force) = A + Bv + Cv²

Faster driving = more energy = more fuel. The air drag increases with the square of the speed. The driveline drag increases with the speed. So, the fuel (energy) used per mile increases with the speed for low speeds and the square of the speed for high speeds.

I well exceed the EPA mpg/mpge numbers on my Prius Prime and get around 3:2 city:highway mpge.

 

My Tesla results for the most recent year:


I'm quite happy with these numbers. As for "cheating," please file a complaint with the EPA:
Basic Information on Enforcement | US EPA

I understand there are two, EPA accepted, EV tests, 3 steps, and 5 steps. Tesla (and others) use the 5 step procedure which gives a more accurate number when the car is driven per the limits of the 5 step. The "cheating" complaints come from unskilled (or unethical) testers who drive outside the EPA limits. BTW, I found my former, 2017 Prius Prime behaved the same way ... drive within the EPA limits and you'll get similar to EPA results.

Unlike the OP, I have owned and driven a 2017 Prius Prime and 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus. The Prius Prime was traded in for the Tesla which my out of pocket purchase price to ~$24,000. The Tesla has significantly reduced my out-of-pocket ownership and operational costs versus the Prius Prime.

Bob Wilson

 

I can't get 12 ¢/kWh electricity here. I just switched to Edison generation from community generation, and as a punishment, they put me on manually calculated bills for six months, which seem to be quite random, and I am in the process of disputing my previous month's bill, as their transitional generation charges are varying by a factor of three every month. For those lucky ones, they can get solar generation, which is currently almost free because everyone in California seems to be installing and feeding solar cells into the grid thanks to huge tax credits of tens of thousands of dollars, but there is a long waiting list.

 

Local electricity rate has a major impact on the EV cost per mile. Places having a high electricity rate encourage private photo cells and private wind mills. Before rural electrification in the 1950s, my paternal grandfather's farm house had a wind powered generator on a water pump tower that fed a blank of 6 V lead-acid batteries. The batteries powered a vibrator voltage booster for the tube radio. Internal lighting was via kerosene lamps.

My 2019 Tesla battery has entered an expected decade long plateau, ~90% of initial capacity, ~215/240. Over the same time, my $6,000 Full Self Driving (FSD) can not be transferred to a future Tesla. Worse, the FSD price increased to $15,000. In a decade, it may be cheaper to replace the Tesla traction battery to keep FSD. By then, I should be able to use the old traction battery in non-grid connected, home power system.

A nice puzzle to solve in 10 years or so.

Bob Wilson

 

Yet another groundbreaking innovation from Hyundai

Hyundai starts EV subscriptions for those who only need a car sometimes (msn.com)

"For those who really don’t want a long term commitment but who may try out living with an electric vehicle, Hyundai is starting a car subscription service. Hyundai’s new Evolve+ program is designed for the “EV-curious,” or for those who only need a car temporarily, like “snowbirds” who move to southern states just for a few months."

This company is really becoming an Automotive leader and trend setter.

Exactly what's needed to turn the EV market on its head. We can see other electric car makers forced to make price cuts to remain competitive and now this automaker may force EV subscription nonsense to be reconsidered.

It will be interesting to see where all this plays out when this Automotive mass producer of quality vehicles decides to innovate next!

It looks like the days of one company being the one and only EV leader may have passed.

Many chuckled when these innovative Automakers said they would have many electric models available in a few years and were switching over their Automotive Manufacturing Model to electric vehicles. As this is beginning to be realized now it will be fun to watch.

This is just one that is making good on its promises you will be hearing a lot more from other manufacturers soon on the electric front as they catch up and innovate.

Toyota the most powerful is just getting started and promises to add a great deal to the mix when they ramp up with their enormous resources.

 

I think the N/A label may include features that the car could have, but aren't tied to a connection plan. Like how my no infotainment screen, unconnected Chevies had remote start, but Toyota felt they could include that in a subscription service recently. It could also be how easy it was to find on the manufacturer site. Don't know where they found the 1 month period for the Chevy features, but I'm digging through GM pages to figure which plans have which features.

I assume the sports/stocks/weather is better(personalized?) than turning dials on a radio. Is smart voice an improved version of voice activation? Cause taking away buttons, and then making the voice commands a subscription is up there with heated seat subscription in terms of money grabbing.

Do you have an SOS button in your Model 3? Everything I'm finding about it pertains to Europe, where it seems to be a legal requirement.

The chart has errors that show Hyundai in the best light. That doesn't change the fact that the other are mostly paid subscription at some point to the Hyundai's complimentary. There is a big but there in that Hyundai could change this at any time. Subscriptions for features that don't need a cellular connection should be banned.

A non-small portion of the population sees that price as $9, which is a greater difference over a year than $10. Tesla has a yearly subscription of $99.

Yet an ICE car gets better fuel economy at higher speeds. BEVs look simple, but the engineering in them is not. Your formula doesn't account for all the variables. It may work for an EV with a single motor and one speed transmission, but it won't outside of those parameters.

Like engines, motors can have different efficiency curves. A two motor AWD system can take advantage of that, and go further with different final gear ratios for each. The result is one of the motor units has efficiency optimized for higher speeds, like an overdrive gear in an ICE transmission.

Then a discussion of EPA results can't ignore the tests, which your formula does. None of the test cycles have a steady speed segment. The closest stretch to such is 70 seconds in the high speed cycle. There is plenty of deceleration points for an EV with an efficient regen system to recapture energy, even in the highway cycle. The acceleration points are gentle. The max rate in the highway would 18.75 seconds to do 0 to 60 mph. The high speed test is much faster, but its results are only used in the adjustment factor.

 

Sounds like their new car rental service.

Bob Wilson

 

As the linked article says ... GM tried open ended month to month car ride setups - and others too ....

over $900/month sounds a tad steep though. Now, if it was for the new Hyundai Ionic 6 ... that would be sweeeet! But like Porsche & GM, one might easily have to drive hundreds of miles to get to a city that has the program.

So then .... will you be going solar? Once you do ... a teeny traction pack just doesn't cut it. It's as though phev's are a gateway drug for many an ev owner.

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