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I need your input! Do I trade my Infiniti G35 for a Prius???

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by azgringo, Dec 2, 2007.

  1. azgringo

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    Hello everyone,
    Here's my dilemma: I own a 2006 Infiniti G35 that I absolutely LOVE. It's fast, well made, and I like everything about it...except that it doesn't have great gas milage, and takes premium gas, which is costly. I'm a sales rep and drive all over the place and I've thought long and hard about trading in my Infiniti for a Prius. But I feel that I'd be sacraficing a LOT if I did. I've done lots of research on the Prius online. Before I take the next step (test drive), I'd like if you all would help me with my decision. Some questions I have are:
    * How long are the Prius' batteries good for? How much to replace them once they go bad?
    * What is P & G? Is it difficult to master?
    * What is a realistic MPG for city? What about highway?
    * What do you NOT like about your Prius?
    * What are the top 3 things (OTHER than MPG) that you like about your Prius?
    * What else should I know before I consider buying one?

    Thanks everyone!!!
     
  2. efusco

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    I think you need to go do a test drive before asking us to spend our time answering all those questions. Many will...probably even I will...but geez, it'll take an hour of your time to drive the Prius and maybe even the Camry Hybrid and see if they're even vehicles you'd consider.

    Selling your G35 will cost you more than you'll ever make up for in gas savings with the Prius...if financial saving is your only reason for considering it I suggest you reconsider. The depreciation hit has to be huge.

    Next, all of your questions can be easily found by doing a little googling except member specific answers which will be meaningless to you since you don't know our personalities and preferences and how those will relate to you.

    Battery: Count on 250k miles plus.
    P&G: Don't worry about it until you have a car and decide if you want to learn it...it's not a necessary thing for driving the car.
    Realistic MPG: Varies dramatically by driving conditions, driving style, and how much you want to work for it. See the excellent mileage logs at greenhybrid.com
    Not like: The driver's seat is not adjustable nor is it very comfortable for long trips.
    3 things: 1)Technological marvel, 2) Fun, 3) enviro friendly
    What else: See comments above.
     
  3. galaxee

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    -don't worry about replacing the battery.
    -personally, i don't bother with the P&G and still get pretty decent mpg for my usual drive. i occasionally will bother to do it in city traffic and it's not hard. if you're obsessive about it, you will piss off traffic behind you.
    -depends on the kind of driving you do. me, i drive about 6 blocks city then ~3 miles highway, then another 10 blocks with 5 stoplights in the middle. and i get about 42 mpg overall.
    -i'd like a more sporty car sometimes, but as far as utility goes it meets my needs.
    -you can haul anything in the hatch, they're fun to tinker with, and i think it's an all around nice, functional commuter car.
    -test drive one. realize that you're going to lose a bit on trading such a new car. and if you lose that money and you're not happy with the car you replace it with, you will be overall very disappointed in your choice. so make sure the prius is for you. if you're a techno junkie you'll probably love it for other reasons than you love your g35. ;)
     
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    You should re-evaluate what is truely important in life and then you may not not feel like you are sacrificing so much. The cars/trucks I sold were faster than the G35 yet I do not miss them. The reason I feel this way is because I realize how much pain my other vehicles were causing people and our nation in terms of degradation of health and oil dependency. Your G35 gets pretty bad milage and the emissions are not so hot. By trading to a Prius you are doing better for the community. That should outweigh any self-serving feelings of loss because the Prius isn't as pretty or as fast.

    Do some serious research (health national economics/security) and maybe you can change the way you think so that decisions like this will not be so hard. :) Some things are just more important than flossin' in a fast car. ;)
     
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    I traded my 06' IS350 for a Prius.... if i can do it.. you can do it... there's little to none on regrets ... i love my prius...

    comparison with my is350:

    Power duh.. (306hp to ... i didn't care to even look.. it's a downgrade)
    MPG from 18mpg to 45mpg .. awesome
    Space... Big Differnce
    Hatch.. Huge trunk space

    Does not driver like the IS.. duh, but the Prius in my opinion is very predictable (it leans like crazy). I get the Traction Control to go off everyday. Hahaha.. i have to change my driving habbits. Fully loaded may offer more than your G35.

    I don't like the attention i got with my IS. With the Prius .. no one bothers you.. you feel like you're in a league of your own. I put a huge smile as a pass by a gas station...

    I am not limited to where i drive. Getting use to drive the prius is not that hard since the Screen tells you what MPG you're getting at that instant.


    Good luck on your trade...

    .... Tires are cheap.... dirt cheap and they last longer...
     
  6. SW03ES

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    Test drive one extensively.

    I could never drive a Prius as my personal car. I would miss the comfort of my Lexus and I find the Prius pretty uncomfortable to drive. But thats me, you may not feel that way.

    There's no way *I'd* trade an 06 G35 for a Prius. Sure it uses more gas, but its actually a very low emissions vehicle and the mileage isn't that bad.
     
  7. Tideland Prius

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    - No idea but the 01-03 Prius seem to be lasting 250,000+ miles. Where I live, half the cabs are Prius and they do 100,000 miles a year so some 06 models would be approaching 200,000 miles now (we have a handful of 04s and 05s but they're mostly 06+). Current cost is about US$2k I think for a new one. Cheaper for a salvaged one (by that I mean it's from a car that's been totalled and the battery is still in excellent condition)

    - . P&G = Pulse & Glide. It's a technique used to maximise FE. It's best used on secondary roads and areas with light traffic, otherwise you'll just piss other drivers off. Like most things, it takes practice and time.

    - Really depends on your climate, your terrain, traffic, length of trips and phase of moon (j/k). Generally, the flatter your route and the warmer the climate, the better the chance of matching the old EPA. Even up here in Canada, i've managed to get one 60mpg tank but that's after nearly 3 years of ownership.

    - (keep in mind that mine's a 2005 model) lack of height adjustment for the driver's seat, stock GY Integrity tyres, rear torsion bar (twist beam) suspension, lack of adjustable cupholders (it's a fixed size), no driver's side box (for coins and other small items), could have more sound insulation (but that'll add weight)

    - 1. High tech toys. Back then, it's one of the very few cars with the Smart Key and push button start.

    2. Versatility. The fold-flat rear seats and hatchback configuration came handy plenty of times. Times where our Camry wouldn't work even with its seats folded. Also, it comes with underfloor storage bins for the wet/dirty stuff or just simply for more room. Also, for its compact size (3" shorter than a Corolla), there's plenty of legroom for front and rear passengers.

    3. Safety features - VSC, ABS w/EBD, Brake Assist, 6 airbags, 5 adjustable headrests (a lotta cars still have fixed rear headrests) and 3-point seatbelts in all locations.


    - Test drive a Camry Hybrid and see if that fits you better. It has more luxury features like power heated front seats (opt.), leather, moonroof, 450W JBL Audio system with PsychoAcoustics etc. as well as more power. IOW, it might be an easier transfer from your G35. Otherwise, make sure you feel comfortable. Push it on the highway. See if you're ok with the power (and look at the speedo cause it may *feel* slow but that's because the CVT doesn't shift so you don't get that sensation of acceleration).
     
  8. cwerdna

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    I think everyone else answered pretty well already so I'm not going to echo their statements.

    I really do suggest that you test drive a Prius and definitely see if its handling and acceleration on the highway are adequate for you. Since I own a car w/the same VQ 3.5L V6 engine as you and also used to own an 02 Maxima w/the same engine, I can say I just love the power of the engine (esp. in the Max where it was quieter). I can't say the same at all for the Prius in that dept. Its power is just adequate.

    I'm sure the handling of the Prius is definitely not up to par a G35 but I can safely say it feels like it handles better than my Max.
     
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    A good point was made about losing a lot in the trade-in... but in terms out actual cash flow it might not be so bad if the Infiniti has enough value left to pay for the Prius (the Infiniti would probably have lost a fair bit of value from when it was purchased, but trading it now might not mean putting up more cash money).

    You say you're a sales rep. How much driving do you do in a year? 15,000 mi? 30,000 mi? More? Do you get reimbursed by your job for your mileage at a flat rate? Do they pay for the gas? Is it all out of your pocket? You might be able to make up that depreciation loss through savings, and possibly then some.

    If your company just pays straight for gas, then it might not make financial sense to get a Prius (environmental or aesthetic sense though, that's up to you to decide). If you have to pay for gas out of your own pocket, or if your company pays a flat mileage rate though:

    [Using 2008 EPA figures]
    Prius - 46 MPG combined = 0.02174 gal/mi
    Infiniti - 21 MPG combined = 0.04762 gal/mi [replace with your actual mileage if different]
    So for every mile driven, the Prius saves 0.02588 gal. I think gas is around $3.50/gal in the states (maybe a bit lower, but then that will also help factor in the difference between premium and regular). Then the Prius saves $0.0906 every mile.

    $1359 in 15,000 miles. $2718 in 30,000 mi, etc. If you put 300,000 mi on a car in the course of your sales visits, that's $27,180 (or more, if gas keeps going up!) that you could save over the life of the car (assuming maintenance and insurance, etc., are equal).

    I am not a tax or financial specialist, or even an American (so if you're in the States, understand that I don't even have a passing familiarity with IRS rules), so take this with a grain of salt; but I think that if you are reimbursed by your company at a flat rate (e.g.: 25 cents/mi), and the gas savings of the Prius helps get your actual costs below that rate, then you can bank the difference as tax-free income. That can make the savings even more lucrative.

    As others have said, you have to test drive the car and see if you like it. You don't want to be miserable in a car if you spend a lot of your time in it, even if it might make financial sense. You've got to weigh the intangibles against the potential savings.

    [Using US units, which aren't quite natural for me, so watch for conversion errors!]
     
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    Consider many other things.

    I've gone from a 15 mpg to the Prius, and average about 48 mpg now.

    The critics say that you may never break even considering its cost over another conventional economy car. I however refute this quite easily:

    It's not an economy class car. It's a family sized car. I'm 6'4" and can easily be comfortable in its back seat with the front pushed fully back.

    It's got some features that typically only a Lexus-class car has - fully electronic climate and audio systems with integrated MP3 and WMA, even low end packages having stability control, rear view camera, keyless entry and starting, alloy wheels... Let's even talk about maintenance items, since most of the vehicle is electric, what maintenance is required on its subsystems? Maintenance guide basically tells you to change the oil every 5k miles. That's basically it.

    5-star safety rating with standard side-curtain airbags as well as hip airbags.

    The list goes on... (and most of these things are standard. Most of the good stuff is at least in Pkg #2, and you'd have a hard time finding one with a package lower then #2)

    The G35 is a phenomenal car, I really love it. My dad has one. I just happen to like economy, and now that I think about it, the Prius is actually a bit more luxurious then the G35, actually.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily call these "Lexus" class features. My 04 350Z has auto climate control and even the base model at the time which didn't have cruise control had it.

    The current Altimas can have electronic climate control, MP3, WMA support, rear view camera, keyless entry and starting and alloy wheels.
     
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    Replace G35 with Prius Touring PKG#2

    A salesperson should have a Prius, period. The gas economy and features make it an excellent sales car for roadwarriors. First, for trips of several hundred miles, aside from around town sales calls, it is excellent. Second, get leather seats and the comfort improves as well as the ambiance inside the car. Third, the a/c, audio and bluetooth for cell phone works great. Get a Garmin NUVI680 and your on your way. I wish that I had been able to use a Prius for the years I traveled Virginia.

    You must test drive the touring model. The car is bigger inside than one sees from the outside. It has plenty of hauling room with the hatchback fifth door, plus fold down seats. We now have two and do not miss the small SUV and Avalon these replaced. Go for it!
     
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    I had a lexus.. if you take a 2004 fully loaded prius.. it is very close in terms of feature...


    altima... you're talking bout just now... they just started offering these feature... just give it time til the next prius comes out...

    you're 350 didn't offer much in terms of luxury feature.. you're jus naming one thing...
     
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    It's me...the original poster.

    First, I want to thank everyone for their honest feedback. Believe me when I tell you that environmental factors sincerely play a role in my decision to consider a Prius, although the G35 (like most newer model cars) emits very, very low emissions. For me, the biggest reason why I was considering it is the amount of driving I do. (Sometimes 200-300 miles in one day.) As a sales rep, the company pays a flat rate for milage. So by driving a 40+ mpg car, I will financially prosper in that regard. Especially as gas prices go up. Also, I hear you loud and clear when you say, "gotta go for a test drive." :) Which, of course, is next on my list. I know I'll be sacrificing horse-power, tuned suspension, etc..., but I feel that perhaps driving a more environmentally friendly vehicle with excellent gas milage is more important to me.

    As for taking a financial hit on the G35, I am the second owner (I bought it used with 8k miles on it a little over a year ago), but it will still cost me around $6k, not to mention a new loan on the Prius. Obviously, a major issue that I have to consider.

    Repeating what I said at the beginning of this message, I thank everyone who took the time to reply to my post. For that, I am grateful.

    If after test driving a Prius I decide to become an owner, I'll be sure to let you know!;)
     
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    I took a Prius home for the weekend from a great dealer. loved it, ordered one and decided to sell my Acura TL which I love. It is a great car too, but with a 500 mi weekely commute, it was a no brainer. Go ahead...get the Prius!
     
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    I wish you the best in whatever choice you make azgringo. :)
     
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    It all depends on what your definition of "luxury" is. To the popularly held definition most carbuyers have it definately is not. I find absolutely nothing luxurious about the Prius. Which is okay, its not designed to be luxurious.

    From a purely economic standpoint, the Prius will be cheaper because of the miles you drive. However, if the car you drove were purely an economic decision you wouldn't have bought an Infiniti.
     
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    I would not consider the Prius more luxurious either. I've sat in quite a few Infinitys and Lexus' at my shop and seeing them taken apart I would have to agree with you. I love my Prius but it's not quite the same. Now compare it to my moms 2001 IS300 and I might be inclined to think the Prius is nicer but that is not apples to apples.