Intelligence Failures

Under great urgency, the United States took a supposedly "scientific" program called "Discoverer" and retasked it to the spy satellite "Corona."

Dr Land - the inventer of the Polaroid "Land" camera - took the work of Dr Walter Levison (The optics genius at Itek) and convinced the CIA's Bissel to utilize the camera payload system as an orbital spy satellite. It actually worked wonderfully, but proved all the claims of the "missile gap" were unfounded. The "bomber gap" was equally false; if anything, the former USSR had the "gap," and a pretty dramatic one too.

The "Gaither Report" was blatently false, and Eisenhower knew it, but other elements instead pushed ahead a dramatic escalation of the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower so feared

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3311...n_kiracofe.html

 

All of which pales into insignificance compared to the threat posed by the USA; the only country I suspect of being stupid enough to actually use a nuke at the moment, as I suspect its leaders think they could get away with it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 12 2006, 12:31 PM) [snapback]318453[/snapback]</div>

I guess the only answer you'll understand: the intelligence "geniuses" were just as deranged as you are.

 

I will save everyone the trouble of continuing this thread:

a) there will be many answers with references from people interested in the truth.

B) dbermanmd will not read/understand/acknowledge any of those

c) He will keep asking until a fellow wingnut writes what he likes.

d) He'll acknowledge those.

It was fun for a while because it gave insight into the wingnut mind. After all there isn't much there so I got bored.

Cheers,

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Sep 13 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]318891[/snapback]</div>

Gee, alric. You're no fun.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Sep 12 2006, 12:08 PM) [snapback]318370[/snapback]</div>

Still had a major intelligence screw up with USSR. It is called the "missle gap"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap

The USA thought we were behind the USSR in the number of missles and we had to catch up. Kruschev thought we were gung-ho nuclear nuts and it ended up ratcheting cold war tensions to stupid levels. The missle gap essentially led to the Cuban Missle crisis. But we did get the movie Dr. Strangelove out of it.

So I would not call cold war WMD intelligence real good.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 13 2006, 01:25 PM) [snapback]319007[/snapback]</div>

Seems like the trend now days (last 20 years at least ) is that countries developing nukes do not hide it rather they advertise it for negotiating power. If anything they will say they they are more nuke capable than they are.

Nukes is not an intelligence question rather a diplomacy chess game.

By the way response to terroism is not a war, it is an law enforcement problem using law enforcement intelligence or at least it should be.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Sep 13 2006, 10:29 AM) [snapback]319012[/snapback]</div>

Excellent point. Keeping secret Britain's ability to decode Enigma messages was deemed so important that Churchill deliberately did nothing to alert a large city of a large Luftwaffe bombing raid because raising the alert would have signaled to the Germans that Enigma had been cracked. I'm certain that was not the only time during a war that leaders deliberately sacrificed citizens for perceived larger strategic purposes, but it is the only one I can name (even if I can't remember the name of the city (Manchester perhaps?) - see the book "A Bodyguard of Lies").

So claims that the CIA was "ignorant" of foreign developments of any kind are ignorant themselves, unless the claimant was a former high level executive in an intelligence service AND is now betraying service ethics by making such claims. And demanding from the public at large "proof" of what an intelligence service knew or didn't know is similarly absurd - like asking a blind man to prove that certain paragraphs are missing from a novel.

Mark Baird
Alameda CA

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Sep 13 2006, 07:00 AM) [snapback]318891[/snapback]</div>

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that dbermanmd always reject answers to his questions that simply do not suit him? Hey guy...plenty of people DID answer your question. You don't like the answers...too bad.