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Iraq war has made terrorist threat worse

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by jared2, Sep 24, 2006.

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  1. jared2

    jared2 New Member

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    Bush led the country into a war using lies and deception, costing thousands of lives and billions of our dollars, and it has made the terrorism threat much worse. "W" must stand for the worst, as in "worst president in US history".

    See link: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/mi...;pagewanted=all
     
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    Jared2, our chickhawks do not read the NYT, so they will never know it is a National Intelligence Agency Report. I fully expect them to post the white house propaganda that has come out recently as spin against this report. Some choice words --

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    Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat

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    Published: September 24, 2006

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

    The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.
     
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  3. jared2

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    You're right. The amazing thing is that people who can't be bothered to read still think that their (uninformed) opinions are just as valid as anybody else's. And then they accuse people who take the time to inform themselves of being "elitist".
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Sep 24 2006, 07:04 AM) [snapback]324226[/snapback]</div>
    If I may amend your statement as follows:

    The amazing thing is that people who can't be bothered to read NON US-ORIGINATED PROPAGANDA still think that their (uninformed) opinions are just as valid as anybody else's.

    It's so easy, really, to broaden one's perspectives on the net. For instance one example of many handy sources is: http://www.thebigproject.co.uk/news
     
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  6. jared2

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    And increasing terrorism serves to increase the level of fear in the country, which is where Bush gets his support. Remember that his support was low until the 9/11 attacks. I do not believe he is behind those attacks. But he has done everything he possibly could to make America hated in the rest of the world, thereby promoting terrorism, thereby increasing the fear, thereby increasing his political support.

    When people are governed by fear they are bound to make bad decisions. Fear is Bush's best friend. But it is our own worst enemy.
     
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    Daniel, are you suggesting that the shrub's policies are structured to increase world hate against the US ?

    I personally do not believe that for a minute. I think he is simply following the NeoCon line, that posits that an America that polices the Earth is a safe America, that favors and extends American corporate interests. Put simply: cheap oil requires military expenditure.

    In many ways similar to the British Empire of the 19th/20th century.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Sep 25 2006, 09:49 AM) [snapback]324626[/snapback]</div>
    this love fest is a good thing and let us say kumbaya.

    just tell me how $3.00/gallon gas is cheap oil?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Sep 25 2006, 12:14 PM) [snapback]324694[/snapback]</div>
    No doubt, but the country is stuffed with rightards, politicos run by business, and ignorants afraid of change.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Sep 25 2006, 12:43 PM) [snapback]324708[/snapback]</div>
    It's priced below cost.

    It's less than what most people pay.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Sep 25 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]324694[/snapback]</div>
    Actually, it is extremely cost effective... to the neocons' interests... just not to the public which it (supposedly) serves.

    The gov't is being run like a corporation, with the "shareholders" interests in mind, not the workers. Kind of like Walmart. Now I don't mind so much that Walmart exercises questionable business practices, after all, their business leaders are paid to make a profit, and I have the choice to shop elsewhere if I don't like it. But I do have a problem when my government behaves this way.
     
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  14. jared2

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    Your right, of course. War is a lousy deal for ordinary workers and taxpayers, but who gives a f*%k about them? They never make "campaign contributions" (known in other countries as "bribes") so they get exactly what they paid for: nothing. On the other hand, we don't get what we pay for in taxes and what people in many other countries take for granted: decent schools, health care, etc. Instead, our taxes are efficiently transfered to the elites that actually run the US and the world. Why shouldn't they run it - they own it. And they own us, too. [Sorry about the profanity - watching too much Deadwood will do that to you.]
     
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    I need to make a correction though.... Walmart's leadership is not bankrupting the company. Enron would have been a more appropriate comparison.
     
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    The bigger the US deficit, the less money there is for social programs and the more money there is for bankers. And we thought Bush was stupid. :)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Sep 28 2006, 10:11 AM) [snapback]325040[/snapback]</div>
    Yes. Its exactly like when they say the Kyoto agreement is bad for the economy. Its bad for oil companies and car makers. Individuals benefit due to new technologies that benefit the market. The alternative energy economy would have been the new internet boom if Bush had not been president.
     
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  18. jared2

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    The alternative energy economy is coming and it could be a very good thing. the oil is running out, the earth is heating up and we will either develop alternative energies or our children will not survive. The obstacles are, as you say, more those of vested interests than technical issues. Wind power and solar power are really taking off in Europe (especially Germany) and in China. The ITER project [see link http://www.iter.org/ ]to develop fusion power is well under way in southern France and could be the long term solution to unlimited energy from tritium derived from seawater. You can get an awful lot of power from wind turbines and solar cells if you put up enough of them. Coal can be liquified and turned into fuel, and the technology to do so cleanly could be developed. What a shame we have wasted so many years since Bush and the supreme court stole the presidency from Gore.

    See article about wind power [ http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/business...amp;oref=slogin]
     
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    To get back to the OP topic/thread, just YESTERDAY the UN issued a report supporting the partially released US study finding also that the Iraq war has hardened and motovated an increase in terrorists. See more here:

    http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1434512006
     
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  20. jared2

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    It is very clear that the military industrial complex could not justify its squandering of billions of dollars [see link to Guardian story "US War costs since September 11 exceed $500 billion" http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1883259,00.html

    without an enemy. It used to be communism, now it's "terrorism". At least communism was a coherent ideology; terrorism is just a military tactic to achieve a political end. It is a cheap form of warfare available to anyone. There can be no end to a "war on terror" and, therefore, there will be no end to trillion dollar military/security budgets. What a sad waste of lives and money. The money wasted is badly needed to improve education, health care and to develope alternative energy.
     
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