Is the "Wall of Separation" Going to Destroy Us?

Below is part of an article that I find very interesting. The other week I brought up the concept of the "Wall of Separation" as seen by Franklin. Now we have had that wall of separation spread around the majority of the world over the past 500 years to encompass all areas EXCEPT one! I do NOT believe it to be a coincidence that this conflict viewed GLOBALLY can be defined as a war or conflict between civilizations that are modern/liberal/that have separated religion from State VS. those that have not.

Additionally, those that are "anti" war on terror may not realize that by defending a civilization that does not believe in that separation may be sowing seeds for their own destruction. We are at a precipice in that if that civilization does obtain nuclear weapons we could be looking at a whole new level of this conflict.

My simplistic view is --- Israel is the "Modern Worlds" canary - and it is indeed singing and singing loudly. Are we listening?

What say you guys? And now excerpts from the article today...

"It is a war to the death between those who stand for Religion as State, and those who will not live under their rule of religion as state policy.

Islam was founded as a religion that is the state, where the state is the religion. The ultimate theocracy. There is no separation, no wall, no division. It is a seamless whole and any behavior is allowed to maintain that power. No crime is too gruesome, no argument too convoluted, no terror too shocking, and no theology too cancerous to be off limits in conquering the world for their god.

They mean to have government be religion, and for religion to be government. Jihad is the mechanism by which all of mankind will be brought into to ummah, the world community of Islam. And only then will we know peace."

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Jul 17 2006, 12:56 PM) [snapback]287585[/snapback]</div>

For your viewing pleasure, I bring to you the entire article. It sure makes you think - especially given the events of the past several weeks and Iran's invovement in the whole Hezbollah affair. Put the pieces together:

1. The world focusing on Iran's nuclear program - now on the back burner
2. The world focusing on Syria's involvement in the Harari murder (Lebanese PM) - the report due out any day now - now back burnered
3. Hamas invading Israel and kidnapping the soldier and Israel's response - a second front had to be opened up. Hamas supported by Iran - $20,000,000/month just financial support'
4. Hezbollah using Iranian silkworm missiles to attack the Israeli warship yesterday and using Iranian medium range surface-to-surface missles to hit Haifa etc.
5. Israel possibly going to strike Iran to take out its nuclear program - now much more complicated given its need to allocate resources in a two front war and its overall size.
6. Iranian involvement in Iraq supplying IED's (gas powered, shaped charges, etc).
7. New world unity as evidenced by the UN condemning North Korea.

Iran had to shake up the apple cart and do so effectively - what better way than have surragates do it? It is a race against the clock - If Iran gets nuclear weapons this conflict will take on a new a VERY Dangerous chapter.

Here is the article...


Religious war
July 17th, 2006

Given events in the Middle East and the near certainty of escalation, it’s time to name our enemy, because Israel is our canary in the mine of world events. And the canary is singing.

Ever since Thomas Jefferson’s replied to the Danbury Baptists with the phrase wall of separation between church and state and James Madison penned “Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.†and Ulysses S Grant called for Americans to “Keep the church and state forever separate†the policy of America has been to rest upon a foundation of respect for authentic religion and to shun the disaster of making religion our government.

The Left in our nation, who make government their religion, have formed ranks around separation of church and state as a bedrock. A Google search of Separation Of Church And State yields 21,500,000 results. The larger percentage of those results are hardened secular positions, like Wall Builders, Suburban Guerillas and Americans United For Separation of Church and State. Many of these are not just Constitutional argument websites, but more secular and obdurate anti-Christian web sites. Fine. We’re a big nation.

How does this relate to the current crisis between Israel and her enemies?

The conflagration breaking out around the world like a fever coming to the fore, is religious. It’s not oil, it’s not haves and have-nots, it’s not Marxism versus Capitalism, it’s not Globalists versus independent free thinkers.

It’s religion.

It is a war to the death between those who stand for Religion as State, and those who will not live under their rule of religion as state policy.

Oil is not that name. Oil is just a bargaining chip. Globalism is not that name. Globalism is only a sidebar. The virulent remnants of Marxism play a significant role in money and state-sponsored support, but Marxism is not the name. Our enemy, the enemy of civilization, and I dare say the enemy of Mankind itself is a religion which will kill, maim and terrorize any who will not accept religion as the State.

Islam is the name.

Islam was founded as a religion that is the state, where the state is the religion. The ultimate theocracy. There is no separation, no wall, no division. It is a seamless whole and any behavior is allowed to maintain that power. No crime is too gruesome, no argument too convoluted, no terror too shocking, and no theology too cancerous to be off limits in conquering the world for their god.

They mean to have government be religion, and for religion to be government. Jihad is the mechanism by which all of mankind will be brought into to ummah, the world community of Islam. And only then will we know peace.

I stand in shocked anger that those in America who work so hard for the separation of church and state are not horrified at the Islamist threat. Those who passionately insist on the separation of church and state ought to be on the front lines every day denouncing Islam and their global terror campaigns. making noise, agitating, pressing for Islam to be eradicated. But they aren’t denouncing Islam. Quite the opposite. They advocate eradicating George W Bush and the United States.

This is madness beyond my ken.

The very people inside our borders who work the hardest to see to it that America and Israel are ruined and kicked into the dust bin of history are the same people who take every opportunity to remind us about the separation of church and state. Are they not paying attention? Are they blind and deaf? Are they made dumb by their hate?

I am truly flabbergasted that these separation people seem to have no concept that if Israel is cast down and if America is driven to her knees, they’re going to get a church that is the State in such totality as to defy description. And it won’t do for America to simply refrain from international affairs as if a disinterested observer. This is the kind of annihilating threat that must be stopped before it grows any larger. Acceptance and diversity are fine-sounding phrases, but not when we’re discussing the end of civilized man.

A word of warning to our citizens who live on the Left side of the aisle, the anti-war crowd, the anti-globalist crowd, the anti-America crowd …. you say you are as separation of church and state as can be …. but what you’re going to reap is the soul crushing whirlwind of church as state and state as church if you don’t get a grip and wise up. You’re rooting for the worst kind of theocracy the world has ever seen, the kind that treats women as less than objects, that kills dissenters, whose distaste for homosexuals is literally beyond polite discussion, and whose Friday afternoon schedule is not cocktails but beheadings of those who take drugs, have sex out of wedlock, have a taste for pornography or show too much skin in public. Among the many crimes you now take for granted as your liberties.

Islam is the zenith of religion as government, and government that is religion. Our friend Israel is on the front line of the war to determine the future of mankind. Religion as state, or secular freedom that guarantees religious freedom.

Do you really want to bring to pass a murderous medieval theocracy? Is that the future you think you’ll enjoy? Is that the outcome you’re working for? Because if you keep tearing at our foundations and empowering this nation’s enemies, if you keep heaping scorn and invective on our President, if you insist that America is evil and must be radically assimilated into a metastasizing United Nations global plan, that’s exactly what you’re going to get and there will be no wall of separation. You will have torn it down.


Michael Geer

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Jul 17 2006, 03:24 PM) [snapback]287670[/snapback]</div>

www.americanthinker.com

great website - one of about half a dozen i read each and every day.

I have a son interning at the heritage foundation this summer and have found stuff on this site from experts there.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Jul 17 2006, 03:42 PM) [snapback]287687[/snapback]</div>

It is the first article "Religious War" dated today.

Sometimes its better to read the article first b4 you try to define the author? Either way it is a very interesting article with ideas that I believe are going to become more central in our discussions as to this conflict we are in.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jack Kelly @ Jul 17 2006, 08:40 PM) [snapback]287837[/snapback]</div>

I was assuming you were kidding me with your question. I hope you understand the point of my post here. When there is no separation of "mosque and state" it provides for the horrors our Founding Fathers feared most. The Theocracies we are in conflict with now are so in large part if not the whole part because of their current governance. A way to view this conflict is our attempt to separate mosque from State - the same battles that took centuries to finish in Europe and one of the building blocks of modernity. Without separating the two - we are witness as to their current level of "operating" and the evil that is possible from within them.

If I may - what type of government do you think Israel has and how would you contrast that with Iran or Syria? I am not kidding.