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Las Vegas - No Electric Drive on very Hot Days - 100F+

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by jakthebomb, Aug 13, 2016.

  1. jakthebomb

    jakthebomb Junior Member

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    I live in Las Vegas, It has been in the upper 100Fs the past few weeks, sometimes getting as high as 115F+. There is an issue that I started noticing which usually happens mid day to late afternoon.

    In the morning the car drives like I would expect. However, later in the day even if I don't park the car in direct sunlight. The first 10 minutes, the car will hesitate to accelerate with the ICE going full throttle. The battery is at 5 out of the 8 bars. It feels like there is no Electric Drive. I also notice that the car will keep the ICE running and charging the battery at stop lights even 30 minutes after driving. The battery is not low when it does this.

    I keep my A/C on Auto and 74F. If I turn the A/C off, then the engine will turn off.

    The Drive Battery only has 70,000 Miles on it. There are no errors or red triangle of death.

    Are there any other 2nd Gen owners in Vegas that have the same issue. I know there are TONS of 2nd Gen Priuses in Vegas, I never go a single day without seeing like 10 of them.

    Also, I keep all of the fluids topped off and changed on regular intervals. My Tires are kept at 43PSI.
     
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    Can you hear the battery cooling fan running? It's behind the small grille on the right side of the back seat.

    Do you transport dogs? Check that grille for hair.
     
  3. jakthebomb

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    The Fan runs high midday for about 20 to 30 minutes then it quiets down. I notice that it is only on high on very hot days and will quiet down once the cabin gets to a cooler temp.

    I don't have pets and no one ever sits in the back seat. I dust the interior on a normal basis as well.
     
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    Even though it's low mileage, your hybrid battery is probably having some aging issues. Desert heat can hurt these batteries.

    Since the fan is clean, one preventive maintenance thing you can do is change your inverter coolant, assuming it's original. (It's probably okay since you don't see any warning lights.) Another thing you can do is look into "grid charging." Several threads will pop up on this site. Otherwise it might be wise to start budgeting for replacement.

    Also don't neglect engine tune-up items like the air filter.

    I lived a few years in desert mountains in Prescott AZ and my battery started failing fairly early.
     
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    what is the history of your car?
     
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    In Florida I learned real fast that cabin temp attacks the Hybrid battery. If you don't have a real high quality tint job and use a Heat shield in the windshield religiously (sold here at PC shop) you have already cooked the Hybrid battery. The cabin will reach extreme temps due to its big windshield. I went one step further and put an insulation layer on top of the extended package rack. No tint and package rack not extended the back area where the Traction battery lives see's constant direct sunlight. Vegas sunlight. Broiling. The fact that your seeing regular Hybrid battery fan activity should have clued you in. A low miles 2006 is sometimes worse than a high mileage car in that it has not seen regular everyday use with consistent daily battery charge. So the battery has sat for intervals just discharging. Very bad.

    Start saving up for a new Hybrid battery.
     
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    It seems like the battery is just getting old. Nothing you should do until it dies. Batteries aren't meant for baking in the sun. There's nothing you can do about it though. The battery fan works so that is the only thing you should worry about now. If the battery fan stops working (which would probably be hard to know when it does) the battery will probably be damaged. It's an old car, it still works.(y) It's an aging issue, not mileage.
     
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    Very interesting. I always wondered how the hybrid battery would perform, and how reliable it would be in hot weather states. (And I'm curious to hear from Gen4 owners who drive in extreme heat, and see how the new Lithium-ion batteries are performing.)
     
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    I'm guessing they will perform MUCH better. Aren't the Li-ion larger? Take longer to charge and discharge? That would probably mean more engine use though.
     
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    Physically larger, I don't believe it is. It's smaller and lighter. And capacity wise, I seem to recall reading that the new L-ion is very similar to the older version battery. Maybe someone can confirm, or deny. :)

    'Lectro, mine recharges very fast in "normal" driving and weather. And it never seems to drop below the 2nd bar on the meter. It's been great so far. And I have the AC blasting every day.
     
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    it's less about driving, and more about where you're parked, as ed mentioned. still, everyone's covered for a minimum 8 years, 100,000 miles.
     
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    The Battery is only 3 years old. It was replaced May 2013. Trust me this issue only occurs on very hot days. I can go 5+ days without the issue happening. I highly doubt the battery is bad as the gauge doesn't change rapidly. I know all of the warning signs, this seems to me that the car is trying to reduce electrical load when the battery is hot.

    Ni-Mh is a durable battery tech. Li-ion, not so much. I have personally seen more Li-ions fail than Ni-Mh.

    I replaced the Inverter Coolant 2 Years ago, I just replaced the ICE Coolant 4 Months ago. I changed the Transaxle Fluid 2 years ago. I replaced the Spark Plugs 2 Years ago. I replaced the Belt on the ICE 2 Years ago. I changed the Air Filter 2 years ago and checked it last week and it is still looking new. It is still white.

    Call me naive, but I can't imagine the engineers of this car not factoring in the possibility of Extreme Temps. I keep the car in a car port as much as possible. I baby this thing, it has yet to get a Check Engine or Red Triangle since I bought it 3 years ago. I looked up the history and this car was very well maintained. I put about 350 miles on the car every week / 2 weeks.
     
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    I just did some research on the batteries used in the Prius. They are rated for -4F to over 280F. This makes me doubt it being a Battery issue even more. I can't subject them to enough heat for it to be damaging.

    I am a IT Professional and constantly use UPSs in Data Center Applications. I deal with more voltage than the Prius. Try 480V in data centers.
     
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    A vehicle parked in Vegas can heat up to 300F, so battery's can be affected, they don't like heat. Was the battery replacement new from Toyota?
     
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    The batteries can take super high temps, but they don't like it. It does take age off of them. Seeing as how this is a new battery anyways, I don't think it is dead. It is just hot, that's all. This is the car protecting itself. If the battery is hot, and you start using it it will just get hotter because of the internal current flows. So the car prevents this extra heating when it has deemed the battery already hot by limiting the output.

    As you already have guessed, it is just a hot battery. Since it is hot ambient that is all perfectly normal.

    Preventative would be to stop the battery from getting so hot. A good dark ceramic tint or some sunshades will help greatly. Even just cracking a window helps a whole bunch. If you can pre-cool the car, then I would. Start it, set the AC for the cabin and walk away until the battery is cooled.

    When my battery gets hot, it is because I am subjecting it to extreme duty cycles going up and down mountains. As long as I am going down the road with airflow, I don't use the AC and instead roll down the rear passenger window to funnel air into the fan vent. Yes it goes the wrong way, but it still blows cooler outside air over the battery. This is in the mountains where the temps are low, may not help in Vegas.

    I would just put up some sunshades and pre-cool before you start going.
     
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    agreed, if it's a brand spanking new toyota battery, it's just protecting itself. if it's a remanufactured whatever, it might be going south.
     
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    Did you look at the bottom of the filter?? If you have logged 20K miles on that filter the bottom will be pretty nasty-looking by now.
     
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    Yes, but it stretches credulity to think they'll behave and last the same, regularly subjected to either extreme.
     
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    Oh ok your not the usual dope we see here. Sounds like you know what your doing. I talk to Vegas almost daily as we have a control hub there. Its been a cruel year so far temp wise.
    You did not respond to my question about a good tint job preferably as dark as possible and a heatshield in the window. I have only heard the fan come on once in 9 years and that was when I parked in the sun and forgot the shield. Cover the back area. If not going to rain crack the windows. Makes a huge difference.

    I'm IT too. We just demoed an Optiview XG. Trying to talk my boss into it as I am getting tired of using my own stuff. I have a couple of Optiview III's. We had a national control hub inside this data center in Vegas. Armed guards escort you to your area and back. Last year we moved the hub out to a less tactical site in Vegas (think less $$$$ lol) . Ever been here?

    SUPERNAP Data Centers
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    wow! amazing facility for something so easily hacked.
     
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