Lets talk about the self-driving features

Yes, ACC (advanced cruise control) is the most used/valued in day to day driving. Toyota has "down to zero mph" stop/start ability.

It remains to be seen about the gen5 but many Toyotas work with OpenPilot which rivals Tesla's AutoPilot (not FSD) but for much, much less money. comma.ai — make driving chill

 

IDK for sure on the g5 but they have been for the past few years since the hardware is needed for the other safety features.

 

My 2016 Prius 3 and my 2022 Prius AWDe LE will turn you back into your lane as you start to cross the lane marker, but neither attempts to keep you centered in your lane. They do not accelerate to the set speed while in a turn, but they don't brake when turning. You do have to be alert for cars turning off an interstate as the system cannot tell that they are getting out of your way and a Prius will slow down almost to a stop unless you override it. This can be a bit dangerous on an Interstate highway.

JeffD

 

The gen5 is capable of self-driving during traffic jams. They didn't say the exact mph threshold, but under 20-something mph, the car will auto lane-center and maintain spacing with the car in front of you. Above 20-something, the feature deactivates. Whether or not this feature will be enabled in the US market, I haven't heard. It was part of the original November global announcement, but I don't see it described currently on the Toyota US website.

The same goes for Advanced Park(available as an option on the Limited/XSE Premium). Cars in some markets will be able to park/unpark themselves without a driver in the car, while other markets will only auto-park if you're in the seat.

Finally, I don't see it talked about enough that many of the driving safety functions also trigger a warning flash in the blue/red dash lightstrip. That will be really good for getting your attention in your peripheral view if something happens while you're looking away from the road(checking your mirrors, looking out the side windows, other things that are not so safe).

 

"Lane Trace Assist"
"When Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC) * is enabled and lane markers are visible, Lane Tracing Assist (LTA) * * uses the lines on the road and preceding vehicles to help keep the vehicle centered and in its lane."
This sounds like the "lane centering" feature. As I currently understand it, the Toyota Safety Sense 2.0 is on the 4th gen Prius. They're adding the Toyota Safety Sense 3.0 to the 5th gen Prius.
What I'd like to know is how big of a difference is there between the 2.0 and 3.0 Lane Trace Assist? It mentions the 3.0 adds "enhanced lane recognition". Do other Toyota models already have 3.0 Safety Sense out there?

 

For starters, let's banish the "self driving" name until such time as the car can legally drive itself while the human behind the wheel mentally disengages from driving operations and legally takes a nap.

Until such time, these are more properly labeled "advanced driver assist" features.

Calling them "self driving" is misleading too many drivers and pushing their expectations ahead of today's technical reality, occasionally with fatal results. Sometimes to innocent third parties.

 

What’s the difference between TSS-P 3.0 and TSS 3.0?

2023 Prius XLE has TSS 3.0

 

Are you sure there's a TSS-P 3.0? My research says TSS-P is one of the lowest type of TSS and is never followed by a x.x.

This is what is listed at toyota.com:

TSS-C
- pre-collision system
- lane departure alert
- automatic high beams
TSS-P
- pre-collision system w/ pedestrian detection
- dynamic radar cruise control
TSS 2.0
- lane departure alert w/ steering assist
- lane tracing assist
- road sign assist
TSS 2.5
TSS 2.5+
TSS 3.0
- proactive driving assist

Each level adds to the one above it. If there's nothing listed, then it's just incremental improvements to the existing systems.

The other TSS 3.0 vehicles are the bZ4X, Crown, and all the Corollas(although the GR Corolla doesn't have full-range dynamic cruise control or proactive driving assist because it has a manual transmission).

https://engage.toyota.com/static/images/toyota_safety_sense/TSS_Applicability_Chart.pdf (slightly out of date because it doesn't include the Crown or Prius)

 

If there's a TSS-P 3, it isn't on the US Crown. It's TSS 3, but lacks the proactive driving assist of the Prius.

This lists the different TSS levels on each model. It's from September 2022, though. The 2023 Crown and Prius aren't on it.
https://engage.toyota.com/static/images/toyota_safety_sense/TSS_Applicability_Chart.pdf

I think TSS-P was the upgrade of the original TSS. It added pedestrian detection, thus the P.

 

I believe the Crown also has proactive driving assist. It's not listed on the Specs page, but I think that's a typo because it's listed as having it in many other locations.

 

I hear the 2025s will explain their driver assist features and give a pop quiz afterward.

 

They dropped the P with 2.0.

Why wait? Read the openpilot comma system has you go through a training tutorial before you can use it.

 

A family member recently related a news story about increasing problems with rental cars; the controls are just getting too divergent from each other and more renters need lessons on relatively basic things.