Leviticus 20:10 re: Adultery

burritos · Apr 18, 2007

20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

They don't believe in stuff like this, do they? Do people who believe the bible get to cherry pick what they believe in? Or do they have to believe in everything? I apologize before hand if you feel that I'm attacking the bible, but I'm trying to clarify the way in which the bible is and should be believed by rational people.

MegansPrius · Apr 18, 2007

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20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

They don't believe in stuff like this, do they? Do people who believe the bible get to cherry pick what they believe in? Or do they have to believe in everything? I apologize before hand if you feel that I'm attacking the bible, but I'm trying to clarify the way in which the bible is and should be believed by rational people.
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You really ought to see this post of Stev0's in re: Leviticus.
http://priuschat.com/index.php?s=&show...st&p=405586

scargi01 · Apr 18, 2007

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20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

They don't believe in stuff like this, do they? Do people who believe the bible get to cherry pick what they believe in? Or do they have to believe in everything? I apologize before hand if you feel that I'm attacking the bible, but I'm trying to clarify the way in which the bible is and should be believed by rational people.
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Christianity, like all religions, is interpreted, believed, and practiced individually. There is no right way or wrong to believe.

Stev0 · Apr 18, 2007

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Christianity, like all religions, is interpreted, believed, and practiced individually. There is no right way or wrong to believe.
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If everyone thought like that there, would be no wars.

I think Emo Phillips, of all people, said it best:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too!
Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too!
Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "DIE, HERETIC!" And I pushed him over.[/b]
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saechaka · Apr 18, 2007

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i'm no expert but am a christian. so here's my 2cents. that was the old law and ways which jesus came down to get rid of during his time here. jesus was more about the golden rule and against the "eye for an eye" thing in the old testament. that doesn't mean we don't read the old testament as there are still many stories in there which help us in our daily lives to live according to the way. but your way of bringing it up seems a little hostile and like flame bait. i think it would be better if you started a thread asking to know more about "christianity" or "judaism" than people could contribute in a better fashion, maybe.

scargi01 · Apr 18, 2007

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If everyone thought like that there, would be no wars.

I think Emo Phillips, of all people, said it best:
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Thanks for posting that. I saw Emo Philips many, many years ago in a comedy club. He was funny and entertaining, but I came away with the impresstion that he wasn't playing with a full deck.

ozyran · Apr 18, 2007

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20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

They don't believe in stuff like this, do they? Do people who believe the bible get to cherry pick what they believe in? Or do they have to believe in everything? I apologize before hand if you feel that I'm attacking the bible, but I'm trying to clarify the way in which the bible is and should be believed by rational people.
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If you think that one's a toughie, then what Jesus said will really bake your noodle:

Matthew 5:28
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Also, there's this to consider, referring to Old Testament vs. New Testament:
Hebrews 7:18-19
18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Just my $.02. The rest I leave between you and God

saechaka · Apr 18, 2007

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If you think that one's a toughie, then what Jesus said will really bake your noodle:

Matthew 5:28
"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Also, there's this to consider, referring to Old Testament vs. New Testament:
Hebrews 7:18-19
18The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Just my $.02. The rest I leave between you and God
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well i guess i'll chime in again and no more. what he is trying to get at is like a topic just brought up which says, "just because you drive a prius doesn't make you green." so he is saying, "your not a good christian just because you never committed the act of adultery. everything begins w/your thought and thats where it needs to change first." he is trying to change people through their perspective, belief and then actions, but starting at the root. hence, pretty similar to many here who try to help people change through challenging discussion on the environment by giving a different perspective. hopefully it leads people to do the right thing in action.

Devil's Advocate · Apr 18, 2007

Simple version:
Old Testament defined the difference between what's right and wrong, and the
New Testament re-defined the punishments for doing wrong. (mostly from death to admonishment)

However, you can interpret the Bible how you want to justify an action, and many have. Now its is common to hold that only the "nut jobs" interpret the Bible to advocate violence.

huskers · Apr 18, 2007

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i'm no expert but am a christian. so here's my 2cents. that was the old law and ways which jesus came down to get rid of during his time here. jesus was more about the golden rule and against the "eye for an eye" thing in the old testament. that doesn't mean we don't read the old testament as there are still many stories in there which help us in our daily lives to live according to the way. but your way of bringing it up seems a little hostile and like flame bait. i think it would be better if you started a thread asking to know more about "christianity" or "judaism" than people could contribute in a better fashion, maybe.
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I guess he got it wrong the first time and had to come down to fix it. God should have had the golden rule all along. I guess he likes a little blood and gore now and then. Next time maybe he could be a little clearer on the do's and don'ts. Humans are not very smart. We need it spelled out in clear language...maybe a DVD instead of a book. Most of us are visual learners.

Godiva · Apr 18, 2007

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20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

They don't believe in stuff like this, do they? Do people who believe the bible get to cherry pick what they believe in? Or do they have to believe in everything? I apologize before hand if you feel that I'm attacking the bible, but I'm trying to clarify the way in which the bible is and should be believed by rational people.
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And very quickly it was interpreted as "20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, <strike>the adulterer and</strike> the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Wildkow · Apr 18, 2007

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If everyone thought like that there, would be no wars.

I think Emo Phillips, of all people, said it best:
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That was funny! :lol:

God Bless you

Wildkow

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And very quickly it was interpreted as "20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, <strike>the adulterer and</strike> the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
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Well that does take care of the "he said, she said" problem.

Wildkow

TonyPSchaefer · Apr 18, 2007

Personally, I believe that it's in the way the passage is phrased. Notice how it twice refers to someone's wife.

Personally, I keep it religious by only hooking up with singles!

Godiva · Apr 18, 2007

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Personally, I believe that it's in the way the passage is phrased. Notice how it twice refers to someone's wife.
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Which basically means a husband can sleep around, but not a wife.

How many puritan MEN had to wear red "A"s do you think?

fshagan · Apr 18, 2007

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And very quickly it was interpreted as "20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, <strike>the adulterer and</strike> the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
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Heh ... seems we always have trouble with "interpretation" don't we?

But I think you would be hard pressed to find that as the truth in Jewish culture. In reality, capital punishment was rarely meted out:

During Temple times all capital cases were decided by a Beth Din of 23 members. Certain situations required a special Beth Din (the Sanhedrin) comprising 71 members. Capital cases could only be judged in the Holy Land. 40 years before the destruction of the Second Temple (in 70 CE) the rabbis ceased to hear capital cases.

Capital cases required at least two witnesses who actually witnessed the crime (no circumstantial evidence was accepted). The accused had to have been warned that his actions would incur the death sentence. Witnesses in capital cases were cross examined extensively by the judges. If their testimony did not concur fully the case was dismissed. If the witnesses were found to be deliberately telling untruths they themselves would be tried for murder.

The verdict in capital cases was decided by a majority â€“ a majority of one in order to exonerate the accused, but a majority of two was necessary in order to convict him. Interestingly, if all 23 judges gave a guilty verdict the accused could not be put to death, since there â€œcannot be a Jew in whom nobody sees the good.â€

Conditions for convicting and executing a person were so restrictive that a Beth Din that put to death more than one person in 7 years, and some say in 70 years, was referred to as a â€œdestructive courtâ€.
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From http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=239&o=523177

Burritos' challenges to the conservatives are entertaining, in a way, but they also tend to simplify issues in an almost comic-book manner. So people who are truly interested in these issues would do well to do some independent research, and not trust the amateurs who just play in the theologian's sandbox (me included).

TonyPSchaefer · Apr 19, 2007

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Which basically means a husband can sleep around, but not a wife.[/b]
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No no no, you misunderstood. And didn't quote the other half.

What I meant, tongue-in-cheek, was that a married man can not sleep with someone's wife because the Bible says so. But the Bible doesn't seem to spell out about a married man sleeping with an unwed woman. Therefore, I'm plan on slutting my married butt around sleeping with unwed women.

flareak · Apr 19, 2007

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I guess he got it wrong the first time and had to come down to fix it. God should have had the golden rule all along. I guess he likes a little blood and gore now and then. Next time maybe he could be a little clearer on the do's and don'ts. Humans are not very smart. We need it spelled out in clear language...maybe a DVD instead of a book. Most of us are visual learners.
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If God just sent Jesus down right after Adam and Eve were sent out of the garden of eden, think about it. How would humans understand the severity of sin? How would humans understand the value of God's love in that way? It is only through Jesus's sacrifice that he saves us from such severe consequence that humans can see how much He loves us. Does that make sense?

TJandGENESIS · Apr 19, 2007

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20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

They don't believe in stuff like this, do they? Do people who believe the bible get to cherry pick what they believe in? Or do they have to believe in everything? I apologize before hand if you feel that I'm attacking the bible, but I'm trying to clarify the way in which the bible is and should be believed by rational people.
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What to believe in the Bible...hmm. We just did that here on PC. My view vs your view will vary. Just should leave it at that.

Stev0 · Apr 19, 2007

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If God just sent Jesus down right after Adam and Eve were sent out of the garden of eden, think about it. How would humans understand the severity of sin? How would humans understand the value of God's love in that way? It is only through Jesus's sacrifice that he saves us from such severe consequence that humans can see how much He loves us. Does that make sense?
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No, it doesn't.

hycamguy07 · Apr 19, 2007

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Which basically means a husband can sleep around, but not a wife.

How many puritan MEN had to wear red "A"s do you think?
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Is oral really cheating? I mean theres no penitration between the two ho-ho sexual organs? right????

Define sleeping around? If I sleep with me sister-inlaw and I do not have relations with her is that adultery (I mean im sleeping around)

What if you see an old friend and she hugs you and gives you a kiss? :mellow:

Hmmmm.....

I guess thats why "interpitation" its ok for men to be lustful towards other men or women to be lustful with other women.

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