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Loving my Prime, but is time to go bigger?

Discussion in 'Prime Fuel Economy & EV Range' started by Acadianer, Sep 11, 2023.

  1. Acadianer

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    Hey All,
    I've own our 2020 Prius Prime Upgrade since May 2021. Last time I fueled it was this past May and during that fill up, it marked our 32,470th km of ownership, 349.275litres of fuel used, which cost $555.60cad. That gave me basically 1.1L/100kms since taking ownership of it. I still have about half a tank right now and have done around 2450kms so far

    Welllllll, the Rav4 Prime has gotten my attention. There was a 2021 for sale locally last week (however it only lasted 3 days on the market) and it was the first used one I had seen for sale locally. I'm located in NB Canada and I never see them in my area. It had 47k and had the technology package (moon roof). They were asking 53g CAD. Well it sold, too bad, it's gone right? Wellllll, I started expanding my search and noticed that Quebec has quite a few for sale, however they are all 6+hrs drive away and none of them have the technology package, but are all XSE, so still well equipped. They are all similar priced at low to mid $50's and mileage all range from 14k to 60k. I did find one with 55k, tech package and include winter tires, but they are asking $60k (about 1.5hrs drive away).

    Looking around, it looks like my PP with upgrade and its mileage could sell for around 31-33g CAD.

    Now here's my question to y'all, how many of you have gone from a PP to a Rav4 Prime? I know the Rav4 will cost more in fuel when actually using fuel, but our commutes to work are well within the EV range of these vehicles. I can easily get the 40km range in our PP, but usually get 50-55kms (I don't use the highway much, but during usmmer, I can still get to work with EV only...oh and I can charge at work as well). I have friends who bought a Rav4 Prime in May 2021 as well and with 85000kms on it, it's life average mileage is 4.7L/100kms, which to me is amazing!

    My reasons for possibly doing the switch/upgrade:

    - roomier for roadtrips (we have two kids)
    - capable of towing a utility trailer and our UTV
    - capable if putting a bicycle carrier on a hitch (family of four that do a lot of cycling)
    - AWD, right now our vehicles are the PP and a RAM 1500 Hemi... during winter storm, the RAM is usually used vs the PP during major snow events... well at least with the Rav4, the RAM could be used if absolutely required, but the Rav4 should be able to conquer the same in the most part


    Thoughts, opinions, experiences?

    Thanks in advanced!
     
  2. john1701a

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    Depends upon what your needs truly are. Our upgrade from Prius Prime to bZ4X has been great. The extra room is quite handy. Bike trips (with 2" hitch) are very nice. Road trips within a 100-mile radius are no-brainers. (Farther takes planning, still. But new DC fast-chargers are already helping with that.) AWD on snow is awesome. I get a lot more free electricity from the chargers at work, so much so, I don't plug in much at home.

    Winter will be especially interesting. I didn't get much winter driving opportunity this year, just a blizzard which dumped a ton of snow. Here in Minnesota, the infrared-heaters (radiant warming for your legs & feet) have already been handy. Along with the heated seat & steering-wheel, there's much less demand on the heat-pump.

    Anywho, the choice worked out really well for us. You'd be happy with a RAV4 Prime. But as the years go by, you'll likely have that same attention-getting wonder as you do now with the Prius Prime.
     
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    i took a hard look at the rav4 prime when shooping for a new car recently. the dealer had 2 in front of the showroom that had just come off one year lease.
    i liked everything about it, but in the end, decided it was just too much car for me, and my wife wanted another hybrid camry even though a phev would really suited her needs better.
    if you need more interior space, and you like the feel of the drive, i would go for it.
     
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  4. Mr.Vanvandenburg

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    I sat it the display model for 30 seconds. My in depth review is I really liked it and wish I had a bZ4X, without the paying money part. A front drive would be fine and it has all the stuff standard I want. It was actually a Subaru, salesman said they have to order parts from Toyota.
     
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    i like them too, considered one until i saw the price.
     
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    How was the charging in below 0F temperature? Did you have any? Reviews I read weren't too kind to the BZ4X.
     
  7. john1701a

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    It's all about expectations. Energy used solely for the purpose of delivering the fastest speed possible the moment they plugged in isn't something Toyota wants to be part of. Those reviewers didn't give a damn about overall consumption. So, they were quite upset about having to wait for the pack to be heated. Absence of patience is a common trait among enthusiasts.

    For me, I couldn't care less. If I find myself in need of DC fast-charging during the depth of winter, I can wait. It shouldn't take long with that much electricity available. 99% of the time, it will be a complete non-issue. I simply won't need that much of a recharge. At 0°F with my Prius Prime, ordinary level-2 charging worked just fine. That is mostly all I will ever need for the bZ4X too.

    Monitoring battery-heater behavior as the temperature drops has been interesting. It looks a look like Toyota went to great lengths to minimize energy loss by striving to keep the pack at room temperature. As I drive, I can see demand from the battery-heater being reduced. Taking advantage of warmth created by driving would indeed mean less electricity required.

    Also, keep in mind that reviewers don't take advantage of infrared-heaters... an opportunity to squeeze out greater efficiency other automakers haven't bothered to try. I really like the radiant warming they provide... which equates to reduced need for the cabin-heater.
     
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    That's why I'm looking at used units.
     
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    The Rav4 Prime has been the hot Toyota since it was introduced in December 2019. Decent commuting ev range but an exceptional 302 hp powertrain. They still get $10k-$15 over msrp around here. Aside from the power and ev range, a Rav4 hybrid is the same driving experience for much less.
     
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    The EV portion of it is absolutely what attracts me to it, since I'm used to almost never using the ICE with my current PP. With it's range being even longer than the PP, I could see it being potentially more economical in the long run... We would could potentially use it more often than our PP, since it cold replace the truck for certain outings, where we CAN'T use the PP currently. (out of town bicycle rides, large groceries at Costco lol, bringing UTV at the camp for the weekend...)
     
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    these have been sitting on the lot since i bought our hycam a few weeks ago

    used-vehicles
     
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    well, when I convert those to CAD funds, they're actually way more expensive than the ones around my area lol
     
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    must be why they're still collecting pollen
     
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