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Lug nut stuck on broken wheel stud - cannot remove wheel

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by nivekonbass, Jul 16, 2022.

  1. nivekonbass

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    first off, I really appreciate you trying to help. But your reaction is ridiculous, and to be honest it gave me a good laugh. Let’s look at the situation for what it is. I purchased the drill bit on Amazon. I can still return it when it shows up on Tuesday. There’s been no additional damage or work done at this point. Matter of fact, if this bit would not cut through hardened steel, all that would happen is the bit wouldn’t be able to do the job or worst case break the bit and maybe I’d have a fucked up lug nut that’s still stuck there, and using an impact would have made no difference regardless in the case of using the wrong bit.

    i can understand the frustration of you giving advice and someone not following directions perfectly (my bad) but a normal human reaction would be “return it cause it won’t work, it’s not hard enough to cut through the hardened steel." Also, I mentioned in that very post that I do not have a drill. Before I bought that, I looked for a cobalt bit that would work with my impact, but couldn't find any that were reputable (the ones I did find were chinese crap with little to no reviews or anything like that) , so I went with the highest rated best non cobalt step bit I could get for my impact with the size you suggested. The only mention of not using an impact, was for seating studs, and to be mindful of the torque specs when tightening lug nuts, but not for drilling this out. When you told me about the cobalt step bit, I did not take into consideration the hardness of the bit. The way you said it was like "other bits would still work, just would break a lot." So with all that being said, to your fetish question, yes, I did think you had a fetish for cobalt bits and that you just really trusted them because you implied in your exaggeration that other bits could still work. I don't drill shit very often dude, I don't even have a drill. The impact handles the holes in my dry wall just fine, which is rly the only time I would drill a hole, never rly needed one.
    PS. I can really go in on you about that ABC comment but I won't do that to you.

    If it was your car I was working on and I messed some shit up for you, then the way you responded would have been justified absolutely. But that’s not the case. So plz calm down, I really am grateful for you trying to help.

    You’re forgiven and im letting it go. so here’s what I will do. Before I go buying drills that are capable of something like this without overheating, I will see what a pretty inexpensive but experienced tire shop near me charges to do this. Im betting they’ll just air chisel the lug nut out if possible, which is fine if they scratch the wheel or something idc, I’m sure they have dealt with crap like this before considering the kind of stuff they usually work on. If it’s under 100 bucks to get it cut off the stud and they replace (or even just remove) the stud for me, great. If it’s too expensive or for whatever reason they cant, I’ll go ahead with the cobalt bit and buy a drill.
     
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  2. ASRDogman

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    Just remember, there are a few on here that know EVERYTHING!
    Their way is the ONLY way! If you don't agree with them and exactly their way,
    they attack you! Sometimes passively, sometimes aggressively.
    nivekonbass, you've been given several ideas and methodes. It is your car,
    proceed in any methode you choose. I know there are other's near you, I haven't
    notice anyone offering to come over and help you out.
    Whichever methode you choose, I hope it works out and costs you the least amount of money
    and heartache. (y)
     
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    So If i got this right if you put a socket wrench on that bolt it just free wheels in both directions? It stripped stripped a little dead spot on the hub bolt when it bottomed out or it broke off the chrome nut cover and its now stripped to the nut. Mondo power there dude.

    Your screwed there.
    Its impossible to get to obviously given how sunken it is. I would try the loose wheel pull it out as hard as I can and and hope for a bite.

    I would say screw it run on 4 lugs but that almost guarantee's a flat tire down road you now cant get off at least with my luck.

    You can see the nut head is pretty beat up its edges look smashed like it was severely over tightened. problem with your method is unless you got a good socket set with you and a breaker bar and you get a flat you will not be able to get your nuts off the lugs on the side of the road with them slammed like that.

    Tire shop like you said is my first stop. I have never used a electric impact gun on my wheels for this very reason and I have a 1/2 Dewalt Electric that will snap that nut right off the stud if I'm not careful. Electric impacts are beasts as you are now finding out and you cannot feel if the nut is cross threaded either its going to sink it no matter what and when it does it will bottom out and strip on the lug.

    Best to just lubricate the bolt threads with synthetic grease hand thread the nut and tighten it up with a breaker bar a little. If I get new tires installed when I get home I break them loose with a 4 foot extension pipe and tighten them back up with one good tighten. Tire shops slam them so tight if your stuck using the pos wrench that comes with the car forget it. Been there done that on the side of the road never ever again.

    I keep a 1/2 breaker bar and nut socket socket set that fits the lug nut and a 4 foot piece of 3/4 emt pipe in the trunk of all my cars. The emt pipe slides over the breaker bar. Easy no sweat removal.

    Good Luck.
     
  4. nivekonbass

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    I took it to the local tire shop and they are charging me under 100 to get it fixed/replaced so i'll just go that route. He told me to just drop it off for a couple hours but I'll ask him how he did it afterwards to help someone else.
     
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    unfortunately the guy just said "i have my ways, and I have special tools for this sort of thing ;) " - literally what he told me lol.

    So, that said, if you run into this problem, what I did was take my car to one of those run down really crappy looking tire shops that works on junk vehicles and taxis. These are the types of people that would probably accept beer as payment lol. the shops may not be appealing to the eye but they work on some of the crappiest cars you've ever seen and have the experience with stupid problems like this. He showed me the lug nut and it wasnt chiseled out or something like that so I'm guessing he just used leverage of some sort, somehow. there was no visible damage done to the rim. Sucks that I cant give a better answer than that
     
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    These are great places. You can buy tires and rims and take them to these guys for installation - at much lower prices than Walmart or Costco - and the guys are real!! Good find!
     
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    The important this is it's back to normal!
     
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    imho, 99% chance he lifted the car, positioned the bad lug at 6 o'clock, removed the other 4 lugs, put the (impact) wrench on the bad lug, pulled the top of the tire away from the car hard to put pressure on the stud and then brrrrt, just popped it loose.
    Still curious about any hub or stud damage.
     
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    I stayed away from this thread to give others the opportunity to give their suggestions.

    Here are mone, based on a professional repair shop and the well regarded videos posyed by Raiman Ray's repairs.





     
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    What a coinkidink!! I had this very thing happen today. LLug nut was half way on and the stud started spinning.

    We tried the old trick of pulling on the tire while using the impact wrench. No progress no matter how hard or in what direction we pried.

    Here's what finally did it. We knocked the top off the acorn nut to get access to the end of the stud. Then one guy held the impact socket (1/2" drive) on the nut with fairly large Channel Locks while I drilled using a bit just large enough to cut out the threads. It also just happened to just fit inside the 1/2" square hole in the socket. It took some time and quite a bit of WD-40 to keep things cool and slippery, but I finally drilled all the way through those threads and stud to the point where the nut came off. Then it was a matter of replacing the wheel bearing so the customer would have five lug nuts on that wheel.

    All just so I could do the little 2-minute job of replacing the sway bar link.
     
  11. nivekonbass

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    He replaced the stud for me and didn't say I needed a new hub when I asked him. I took the hub cap off and the rim seems just fine. Next time I change my brakes (probably won't be for a while) I'll take some pictures of it. I know the mechanic well and I know he did me a solid, so I plan on coming back to him and giving him an extra 20 and maybe a deep dish pizza for himself/his staff. So if you want me to ask him something about it let me know
     
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    I had the exact same problem. Mine is a 2010 Gen 3 with alloy wheels and the chrome plastic capped lug nuts.

    Just one lug nut got jammed onto stud. Wheel was 1/2" from Rotor so I had some clearance.
    Tried everything mentioned to keep stud from turning while trying to spin lug off nut with impact. No dice.

    Tried cutting stud with my Bauer (Harbor Freight) mini Sawzall. Blades keep breaking due to bending them to get into the space.

    Based on several referenced videos, Finally, just took a center punch, popped a dent in the plastic cap covering lug nut and used my el cheapo Harbor Freight Drill Index and Harbor Freight Drill to drill out stud. (Yellow colored Drill Index). Used 5 different sizes unit I worked up to slightly more than 1/2" (biggest drill that would go into drill chuck). Took about 15 minutes. Drill for 30 seconds and then wash it out with WD40 for lubrication/cooling.
    Worked like a champ. Thanks to all the thoughts and videos. What did we do before YouTube :)
     
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