Max coolant temp- what’s the worse that can happen

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by C Clay, Apr 17, 2025.

  1. C Clay

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    Ever since I blew my head gasket, I have a dongle plugged in and use the car scanner app quite a bit. It’s very rare for my temperature to go above 200, maybe 201 and only briefly.

    This week I have my son in the car, probably with cargo an extra 300 pounds and we were in rural West Virginia and seem like we were driving straight uphill for an extended period, and steep.

    For fun I just thought I would open the app and notice I was a little over 208° and thought I would slow it down a little bit to let it cool. This was a state highway going into Welch.

    Did I read correctly somewhere that the danger zone was around 230-240?

    And while I’m here, let me ask a question About how cars are engineered in general these days. About 15 years ago, I was in a new GMC company van with seven passengers and cargo traveling up a mountain coming into California on one of our southern most interstates. I forget where that was maybe interstate 10? Anyways, even a new van was about to push into the red zone as I was doing the speed limit or slightly above. I had to back off on it also, but what is the worst that can happen if you just drive an otherwise well maintained newer vehicle Into high stress environments like that (was probably 90-100 degrees). But they just shut off and go into limp mode?
     
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    Prius over-temp sensor lights up the dummy lamp around 245F+. Slight deviations above 205F-210F are normal under heavy load; as long as it falls back down to normal operating temps, once the additional load is relieved.
    IMHO; It's the constant operations of the ICE near or around 230+F that causes blown head gaskets, warped heads and sometimes boiling out the coolant. This all happens w/o the dummy lamp lighting up and no stored CEL for overheat.
     
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    I have to kind of translate your numbers into Celsius, because the car's Japanese so of course all the interesting points programmed into the ECUs are easy-to-remember numbers in Celsius: fans turn on at 95℃, red temp light turns on at 120℃. Engine stops if the water pump isn't working at 105℃.

    That last is kind of an interesting case. If the ECM has an active water pump trouble code, and the temp reaches 105℃, it turns the engine right off, no discussion. The power management control ECU won't even know what happened: it'll log P0A0F (hey, what happened to the engine?). But that only happens if there is already a water pump problem that the ECM knows about. Otherwise, nothing of interest happens at 105℃ or until you see the red light at 120℃.*

    I don't know if there is any other special action taken at 120℃ besides turning the red light on. The only automatic engine shutoff I know of is the one at 105℃ if the water pump has problems.

    People on PriusChat use the term "limp mode" for a lot more different scenarios than Toyota does. The absolute engine stop at 105℃ leaves you completely dependent on the battery for moving the car. If you have ever played with the "EV" mode, you know the battery in the best case can move you two or three blocks at under 10 MPH. If the engine stops cold while you're doing highway speed up a hill, you'll be out of battery before you know what happened. You might have technically been in some kind of limp mode for 20 feet or something, but you won't call it that, you'll call it dead in the water.

    Your temps of not even 98℃ are just a couple degrees above turning the fans on. That wouldn't worry me,


    * I'm using 120℃ for where the red light comes on based on a test I made on the second coolant temp sensor, the one in the EHRS return hose. I have never actually done the same test with the sensor that's in the cylinder head: I'm assuming the same alarm point of 120℃ is programmed in for that one too, but I don't know this.
     
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