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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by FBear, Mar 7, 2008.

  1. FBear

    FBear Senior Member

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    I just got my copy of the Winter/Spring AAA news letter. Got to the last page and sticking out like a sore thumb in 50pt type Prius one of the most expensive cars to own dust to dust. Anyway I started to read the article and AAA national, where the article originated, is using the bogus information off the CNW Research website to get it statistics. I just went to ww.cnwmr.com and now they are trying to justify their 100k life span of the Prius. Since Prius drivers only average 7000 miles per year so it would take 15 years to reach 100k. What are they out of their minds. The Pruis cost $2.95 per mile to operate. What a crock!! I would love to respond to this in letters to the editor but I need good hard facts.
     
  2. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    Do a good search here and other forums for CNW and you'll find plenty of facts and logic to refute with, including some external links. Look especially for some of Bob Wilson's posts on GreenHybrid (user name bwilson4web). He has refuted CNW's junk science repeatedly and convincingly.

    As a AAA member myself, I might write them as well.
     
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    nerfer A young senior member

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    I didn't realize people would still take that seriously. I had thought of putting a blog together at evworld some time ago but thought it better to let it die a natural death.

    Okay, I'll put something together this weekend, because there's a lot of holes in CNW's statement (including their own 2007 update which reverses that statement for the 2006 model year, but that's rarely noticed, and not exactly pushed by CNW).
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Isn't the research part supposed to come first, followed by conclusions? Seems like CNW's going about this the wrong way.
     
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    That is due to their cranial-rectal inversion.
     
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    Definately call AAA on it.
     
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    I wrote to them about the article "Sizing Up Energy Footprints":
    AAA New York - CarandTravel - Sizing Up Energy Footprints
    The article had no byline but turns out to have been written by automotive editor, Joseph D. Younger. He can be reached care of: carandtravel (at) aaany.com He replied to me via an assistant a few times. He stopped responding when I questioned the dust to dust report.
     
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    micheal I feel pretty, oh so pretty.

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    I would second that. I switched to BWC several years ago from AAA after reading some of the articles on AAA. They gave discounts to hybrids and seem to focus a lot on reducing our enegy use/carbon footprint. IMO, it is completely irresponsible for AAA to republish that garbage two years after it has been debunked numerous times. I never had to use BWC and let it lapse after a year. Will probably rejoin when the Prius gets a little older.
     
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    I put together a blog at EV WORLD called
    CNW’s report that will not die

    Also see the sticky on debunking CNW in the hybrid news forum.
     
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    Third that. BWC gives good service and their heart is in the right place.
     
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    This is an interesting thread--especially the comments on AAA. My wife and I have belonged for years, largely for the road-assistance benefits but also for their travel services: traveler's checks, foreign currency, international drivers' licenses.

    But we've noticed that AAA is really more of an insurance (which we don't use) and finance operation than an automobile association. We've got an AAA credit card, but we NEVER use it, because the interest rates are higher than the normally usurious rates charged by other card providers. And their so-called newsletters are such drivel that we haven't bothered to read them for years.

    Perhaps it's time to check out BWC. Do they operate here in Massachusetts?

    --Joe
     
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    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    At Better World Club - Roadside Assistance, Insurance and Travel it says:

    "Better World Club is currently quoting in Arizona, California, Connecticut, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Washington only. Watch this space."
     
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    At Better World Club - Roadside Assistance, Insurance and Travel it says:

    "Better World Club Provides Nationwide Roadside Assistance. We are the Nation's Only environmentally friendly auto club. Membership Includes eco-travel Services, Discounts on hybrid cars, insurance Services, Free Maps, Auto Maintenance discounts and bicycle roadside assistance. We donate 1% of annual revenues toward environmental cleanup and advocacy."