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New policy arms criminals with guns

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Robert Taylor, Feb 24, 2005.

  1. Robert Taylor

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    http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...BAGMTB4OTM1.DTL

    As the store's alarm rang, thieves made off with 32 rifles and handguns from a Fremont gun shop early Wednesday, less than two weeks after police announced they will soon ignore burglar alarms unless there was a confirmed crime.


    My Commentary:

    Yet one more example of the krazy kalifornia way of doing things that does not need to be exported to the rest of the nation. What good are police if they do not respond to burglar alarms when guns are being stolen by criminals?

    Is stupidity infectious?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Robert Taylor\";p=\"67181)</div>
    What good are they if they're constantly tied up responding to false alarms and are not available to prevent or address actual crimes.

    I see and appreciate your point, but there is limited money and limited cops on the street and if the false alarm rate is taking them off the street they can't do their job.

    I think it's a difficult dilema.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco\";p=\"67183)</div>
    What good are they if they're constantly tied up responding to false alarms and are not available to prevent or address actual crimes.

    I see and appreciate your point, but there is limited money and limited cops on the street and if the false alarm rate is taking them off the street they can't do their job.

    I think it's a difficult dilema.
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    Our local PD handles false alarms in the following manner:

    You get the response to the first false alarm free.

    After that, you get a bill.

    It cut WAY back on false alarms.

    Now, suppose that tried and true method still results in the cited rate of 90% false alarms? The PD is being reimbursed for the false calls, but they still declare that they won't respond. In the case of a gun store, they ought to respond anyway. Or any site where the goods stolen can arm criminals or terrorists.

    The United States Army contracted to have quite a bit of chemical and biological weapons produced during and after WWII. For some years they have contracted to have this stuff burned in super hot furnaces. Fine well and good. Immediately after 9/11 though, the decommissioned base where all this stuff was, the army, in its great wisdom, decided that the WMD stored there needed to be guarded to prevent theft. And sent troops there to do just that. You would think that a PD would have at least that much sense too.

    But, they don't.
     
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    I concur, there should be a system set up and my community too has the pay for false alarms system. Seems, however, it takes going to an extreme to make a point at times.

    I'm sure it'll all work itself out.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco\";p=\"67218)</div>
    I find it odd that the pay for false alarms system was not cited in the article at all. It leads me to believe that this no response system was implemented without surveying "best practices" in nationwide police department practices.

    The mayor and the chief both need the ax over this boneheaded business.
     
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    Thanks Robert Taylor for starting this thread. It could prove thought provoking and insightful if we can refrain from personal attacks (like PC is famous for). I acknowledge this could be a "loaded" (pun intended) topic. While I log onto PC almost daily for information about our Prii, I also find people's opinions of any persuasion worthy of thought. Naturally (for me) those opinions which are opposed to my own offer me the most challenge as 'preaching to the choir' doesn't stimulate me, and who doesn't like to be stimulated?!!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Robert Taylor\";p=\"67187)</div>
    As far as the Deseret Chemical Weapons Depot in Utah, that place has been heavily fortified for as long as I can remember. You try to climb the fence, you die. The sign on the fence says so:

    Warning! Use of deadly force authorized!

    However, I shudder to think of other areas where "surplus" equipment is stored and only a rusty padlock protects it.

    I hate to say it, but terrorist groups have way more "common sense" than we do. There are a lot of very attractive and easy targets out there.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayman\";p=\"67260)</div>
    As far as the Deseret Chemical Weapons Depot in Utah, that place has been heavily fortified for as long as I can remember. You try to climb the fence, you die. The sign on the fence says so:

    Warning! Use of deadly force authorized!

    However, I shudder to think of other areas where "surplus" equipment is stored and only a rusty padlock protects it.

    I hate to say it, but terrorist groups have way more "common sense" than we do. There are a lot of very attractive and easy targets out there.
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    I was referencing Anniston Alabama where the goods were left unguarded by the army on a closed base, known as Fort McClellan.

    Post 9/11 there came to be a realization that the security of WMD"s awaiting destruction was something that needed to be attended to.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn\";p=\"67246)</div>
    Thanks.

    I do not understand the point of view that you have on this, do you think that the police should not respond when criminals are stealing guns to arm themselves with, or do you argree with me that this ill considered policy was pretty boneheaded?

    I usually don't see personal attacks here. Pretty much everyone agrees to disagree in an agreeable manner.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Robert Taylor\";p=\"67267)</div>
    Well. Now I'm officially scared out of my wits. I looked into it and that's an eye-opener.

    When I still lived in Utah, I would sometimes go with some friends along the Stage Coach Trail (Deseret Chemical Weapons Depot is nearby) to go target shooting. Even if you kept your distance - say a mile - from Deseret, sometimes a heavily armed patrol would race out to your location and tell you to move.

    If you timed your visit just right, you could watch low-level practice bombing runs at Dugway Proving Grounds. Kind of neat how the desert would shake and then you'd hear the boom.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Robert Taylor\";p=\"67181)</div>
    Seattle just upped the enforcement on this -- apparently, a lot of the private security companies, when they got one of their alarms going off, would just toss the problem over the wall to the Seattle police, without sending one of their own security cars out to investigate.

    Why? Well, 'cause it didn't cost them anything!

    Having the police (and the Fire Department -- a number of developers have had alarms go off on work sites, and the FD has to show up to turn the alarms off) fine for false alarms makes a lot of sense.