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Nissan drops plan for EV battery plan in Portugal

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by telmo744, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. telmo744

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    Nissan-Renault joint venture for EV announced yesterday that the battery plant in Portugal will not be built.

    Nissan suspende investimento de 156 milhões na fábrica de baterias em Aveiro - SIC Notícias




    I have still no link to an english spoken piece of news, but I can recall one of the previous articles referring what was meant to be...

    Nissan breaks ground on lithium-ion battery plant in Portugal

    A pity, since Portugal has lead a charge point plan for EV-cars, Mobi.e, and the carbon intensity of the grid is very low, due to major investments in renewable power generation.

    Edit: topic title has a typo... "plant" was meant...
     
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    Did they give any reason?
     
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    According to the contents of the link, actual 4 plants worldwide match the objectives/perspectives of Renault-Nissan alliance cumulative 1.5million EV cars built until late 2016.

    (edit: text not quoted directly)
     
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    Portugal is one of the main EV supporting Countries in the EU. I think the UK, Ireland and Denmark are supporters too. France is starting to get involved also.

    Could the news be connected to the euro 'issues'? Or Portugals poor credit rating? Were the Portugese Government going to offer incentives to Nissan and then had to remove these because of austerity measures?
     
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    The actual plant assembles bearbox and engines for Renault/Dacia, and has room for future expansions, sharing facilities...also the plant has good roads/railways and is located in a dedicated area for the business.
    I went back to search and found nothing regarding governmental incentives.
     
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    To add to the explanation, the article says that:

    The Portuguese factory was going to be battery only.
     
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    Maybe EV's aren't quite selling in the numbers they expected but also, most of Europes economy is heading south - fast. Why invest in a secondary battery plant in Europe when you might not sell the cars to use them.
     
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    That doesn't make sense, since they would also need to cut the number/size of car plants if they aren't going to get the portugese cells. I think actually battery production is going better than expected, with higher aH cells allowing less modules per vehicle for the same total pack capacity. If they get 25% increase in capacity they can drop 25% or cell production.
     
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    Nissan halts battery plant project in Portugal | Reuters

     
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    And remeber there's the HV battery plant being built in Wales too. Perhaps Nissan decided to keep the European production in the UK with the Leaf to be built in Sunderland and the batteries in Wales?

    Portugal is pro EV but its economy is in tatters (even compared to ours). Why build a plant there if you'll never sell the product there. It's a bad day for Portugal but their bad news is our good news.
     
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    Not quite. Leaf reservations were held up for several months, and many units haven't been delivered yet.
    Maybe when Prius plug-in arrives here Leaf may not hold that much interest anymore. Our daily commutes are very short.
     
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    From what I read, the new Portugese govt wasn't too pro-EV.

    I remember when Cameron took over, there was talk of scrapping EV incentives (and even the Sunderland plant ones). Nissan had threatened to withdraw from UK as well - but those incentives survived the Cameron cuts.

    Anyway, the new European policy will ensure that Europe is weekened (with a deep recession) - but the Euro is strong :p
     
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    Yeah but a £20 million grant is not going to make much difference when you're spending £billions on a new plant. But it's a small price to pay - esp compared to the £billions sent Europes way every year to prop up their failing golden Euro project.

    I give the Euro in its present form about 6-9 months. Greece will have to leave and then one they do it'll set a precedent and they'll be followed by Portugal and then maybe Ireland and then God knows.

    Perhaps Nissan think the same and don't want to throw good money after bad? Why else build the plant and then pull out at the last minute?
     
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    Some contries are not even in EU and use Euro currency...
     
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    Management accounting uses pot odds. It doesn't care how much you've put in, only the size of the pot.

    If current demand is too low to require the additional capacity in Portugal and they're the cheapest to cut out, there's no point operating the plant.

    If the thought Portugal was going to quit the Euro it'd be quite good because, although it'd make the currency less stable you'd expect the New Escudo to be devalued.