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OIL - help! What is the correct way to check?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Ultrasynthetic, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. Ultrasynthetic

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    Hello! I bought a used 2008 Prius 4 months ago. I went for my first oil change yesterday to the Toyota dealership.

    I had them switch to synthetic. Their previous service records show that the car had regular oil until now.

    Today I checked the oil and it is a quarter inch over the second dot. A quarter inch over filled?

    Am I checking this correctly?

    I made sure the vehicle was parked on a level ground surface. I let the engine sit for 5 minutes before checking. (Actually, the car had been parked all night and I only moved it 10 feet and the ICE turned on for only about 10 seconds.)

    What is the correct way to accurately read oil levels for a Prius?

    Should I let the car run for a while?
    Should I let the car run for a while and then sit for 5 minutes?
    Should I test the oil level when the car has not been running for a while and engine is cold?


    I also got that recall done yesterday at the dealership. They did the accelerator pedal adjustment thing... and updated my software. I have noticed a drop in MPG since then. Before I was averaging 48-49 MPG... not it is dropped to 38-45 MPG. Yikes!! Could this be due to the oil change? The software update?

    I could say it is the work of elves, ...But it's not elves exactly.


    :madgrin:
    I am going on a 2000 mile road trip in a few days. My first road trip with me and my Prius!! I am excited, but I want my vehicle to be in the best shape it can be!!

    Any other suggestions?


    Thanks guys- you all are great!
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    The correct way to read the engine oil level is to run the engine until the oil is hot (which usually requires an extended period of driving, not just sitting in your driveway), then turn the car off and wait at least 5 minutes. Or if you like, you can check the engine oil level in the morning, before you start the engine. In any event it appears your engine oil level is excessively high, and you should arrange to have the excess removed.

    I'm not aware of a software update required for your car, so pls take a look at the service invoice and see what it says regarding that service.

    Regarding your mpg decline, I suggest that you check your tire pressure, as well as having the excess engine oil removed.
     
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    Thanks for the help!! My car has been sitting for a couple hours now.. the temp outside is 97 degrees F. And the oil is showing still a bit over the second dot. Very full. Is this too much?

    I called the Toyota dealership and the maintenance dude told me that it was not a problem. Can I trust this guy?

    Is there a way I can get this excess oil out myself?

    The software update and recall was this:

    90L Safety Recall - Potential Floor Mat Interference with Accelerator Pedal
    Cau Checked and Verified 90L Recall n NSH
    Accelerator Pedal Modification
    9915M8 D3


    hmmm.... ?
     
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    If the excess oil registers just "a bit", maybe you don't have to worry about it.

    If you wish, you can get the excess oil out yourself, if you can remove the oil drain plug. However it will be messy when you try to reinstall the drain plug while oil is flowing out of the hole. An alternative approach would be to purchase a pump that requires inserting a tube into the dipstick hole, to suction out the oil.

    I don't see any mention of a software update in the text that you provided above. All that was done was to remove the bottom portion of the accelerator pedal.
     
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    Between the marks. That's where you want it. Got any tools?
    It's easy enough to drain a little out, and then smack the
    dealership upside the head for assuming "4 quarts is good enough
    for anybody".
    .
    _H*
     
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    From the Book of Maintenances, Chapter 2, verses 19-21: And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Fillercap, then shalt thou quart to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt quart, and the number of thy quarting shall be three. Four shalt thou not quart, neither quart thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then stoppest thou thy quarting of the Wholly Motor Oil into thine engine, which then being neither empty nor overflowing on thy dipstick sight, shall suffice it." Amen.
     
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    3.5 works in mine.
     
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    Too bad fractions hadn't been invented at the time this Holy Book was written...
    As with my Prius.
     
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    I give the tech 3 quarts exactly (synthetic) to put in the engine. I tell him I'll check it later after it's run a bit (and I do). It almost always shows slightly more than half-way between the upper and lower marks.
     
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    So with 3.5 quarts, what will the dipstick read? Up to the second dot exactly? Or in between the dots? I'm getting confused here.
     
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    ~ 1/8" below the top dimple.

    The reason I use 3.5 qt (vs. 3.7 qt which would hit the top dimple) is because when using quart containers, it is easy to pour out 0.5 qt, then save the remaining 0.5 qt for the next oil change.
     
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    Thanks guys!! Well it looks like the Toyota dealership put in 4 quarts... that's what the mechanic told me.. and I guess he shall be smitest by the lord of hybrids for such an insult to knowledge.

    Now.. how do I get it out? I don't have any tools! And I have noticed my gas mileage has dropped by about 5 MPG. (my tire pressure is 40/38, is not a factor)

    Is there a way I could go ghetto style and siphon it out using fish-tank air-pump tubing and a bucket through the dipstick outlet?

    ARG! this is frustrating!! I don't want to have to take it back to the dealership!!

    I was going to leave on a road trip this afternoon, and now... POO POO !!
     
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    Why not, if you have a hand-operated siphon that will work with the tubing.
     
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    I believe you can remove the oil filter to empty enough out without draining the sump since the filter is above the pan. Always remember, ..."LESS OIL"...Ask BP. That will be their motto for the upcoming years..
     
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    I found this on Priusonline.com:

    After I got back to Phoenix where it was warm, the Phoenix dealer drained about a half-quart of oil out (they had overfilled it to 4 quarts during the last service), and it never happened again. However, they continued to overfill it every time they changed the oil during the free service (our Prius got free oil changes for about 50,000 miles or so). I checked it before driving off, and had them drain part of it, before I drove off the lot -- every time.


    So, I guess I am taking it back to the dealership. I just don't like being pushy with people. I am rather layed back. But I don't want oil being sucked into my intake manifold.
     
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    An Internet to you, sir.
     
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    So I took my overfilled oil Prius back to the Toyota dealership. They reluctantly took it in and drained the oil.. they measured the oil to tell me that they put 3.9 Quarts in.. and that is "standard" in GenII.

    I said again that the dipstick was showing over the second dot.. the overfill mark.
    He then asked how much I wanted to put back in.

    I said 3.5 Quarts. He crinkled his face as if I had just stabbed his grandmother.

    He went back there and told the dude to do the thing...

    I checked the oil level when I got home: topped off exactly at the full dot.

    oh well... I guess I will focus on something more reasonable like, world peace.
     
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    What a coincidence, I just did the exact same thing
    you did on the exact same day! In my case, my 2009
    had had one previous oil change with dino oil under the
    previous owner.

    From numerous prior threads on this topic, I surmised
    that the diligence of Toyota dealers' mechanics can
    be somewhat variable. That is, some will just dump in
    4 qts, even though the spec is 3.8 qts. Therefore,
    even though the Toyota dealer I use said that they
    would fill it precisely to full per the dipstick, and that
    they offer Mobil 1 synthetic, I decided to provide my
    own. I bought a one gallon container of Mobil 1 5W/30,
    removed .2 qt (about 6 oz), and provided that to the
    dealer. The Toyota Service Advisor had no issues at
    all with this. In fact, he even asked me if I wanted to
    provide my own filter (which I did not).

    By the way, this turned out to be good economics,
    too, as you can see from these dealer prices:

    Dino oil/filter change: $32
    ...using Toyota 0W/20: $42 [not correct oil for 2009]
    ...using dealer's Mobil 1: $75
    ...using my Mobil 1: $23 (+$22 for 1 Gal Mobil 1)

    What did you pay for your oil change?

    I was offered this recall as well, but I declined it.
    They made me sign a waiver stating that I would
    not hold them liable for a future accident that
    might be attributable to the original floormat/pedal.
    The recall was not described to me as including
    any software update.

    --

    My prior MPG over lots of miles as displayed on the
    MFD was 51.0.

    I have only driven the car 70 miles since the change,
    but it is showing 52.7 mpg.