1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Price of plugin vs non-plugin w/same features

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by Eric Nothman, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. Eric Nothman

    Eric Nothman Prius owner

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    101
    19
    0
    Location:
    Washington DC area
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    XLE
    I am wondering what the real price differential is for just the plug-in components once all package details are taken into consideration. Did anyone work out the price of a 2012 model non-plugin that has the exact same features as the plug-in?
     
  2. xpcman

    xpcman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    1,302
    295
    0
    Location:
    California - SF Bay area
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Toyota is too smart to allow that kind of comparison. Since the plug-in has those nice wheels there will not be an exact match.
     
  3. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,705
    49,399
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    it doesn't match any of the cordless models.
     
  4. Sergiospl

    Sergiospl Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    3,938
    1,351
    28
    Location:
    Florida
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    1 person likes this.
  5. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    13,569
    4,107
    0
    Location:
    Austin, TX, USA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    My best guess, if you actually want those options is around $5.5k. There is a $2.5K credit, so after tax credit $3K. It should easily sell all of the limited first years production. After that we may see option changes.if toyota wants to sell more phvs. I'm sure they will be carefully watching customer feedback.
     
  6. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,705
    49,399
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    toyota wants to sell more cars. they don't care which ones unless some models are more profitable than others. they won't likely lower the price without some direct competition. the leaf and volt are not.
     
  7. lensovet

    lensovet former BP Brigade 207

    Joined:
    May 23, 2009
    2,614
    496
    0
    Location:
    Burlington, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
  8. Eric Nothman

    Eric Nothman Prius owner

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    101
    19
    0
    Location:
    Washington DC area
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    XLE
    Can you share a breakdown of how you arrived at your 'best guess' estimate?
     
  9. Eric Nothman

    Eric Nothman Prius owner

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    101
    19
    0
    Location:
    Washington DC area
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    XLE
    Here is my attempt at a price breakdown to better determine plug-in feature cost and implications.


    I have "borrowed" some of the following from a previous post, but then added on.

    Prius plug-in cost above 2011 base Prius (from previous post)

    2012 Base Prius Plug-In Model vs. 2011 Prius II = (without dest. charges)! 
    $32,000 - $23,520 = $8,480.00 minus the Tax credit = $5980.00

    For $5,980.00 difference over a Prius II. you get: the following added options:

    Plug-In option,
    Entune, includes Bing, Pandora; real-time info, traffic, weather, fuel prices, sports, stocks. 
    $1,950 Navigation, Backup Camera, Hands-free phone capability, phone book access, 
    $449   Sirius/XM Sat radio,
    HD radio, 
    $559  Remote AC, (if this is effectively equivalent to remote engine start)
    $299  Bluetooth music streaming wireless technology
    Heated seats
    Advanced voice recognition, 
    Text-to-speech with programmed and customizable text responses,
    Smart key system x 3 doors 
    6-way adjustable seats for both driver and front passenger
    Alloy wheels
    Tax credit = $2500.00
    eATPZEV (HOV lane access)

    Standard Audio AM/FM CD player with MP3/WMA playback,(Standard on Prius II)

    Added on info:

    Individual items priced above were priced based upon closest equivalents where pricing was available on a 2011 Prius as listed here ==> 

    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2011/toyota/prius/iii_hatchback/3120/packages_options/ 

    Priced features (above) add up to $1,950+$449+$559+$299=$3,297
    and if we arbitrarily assign a value of $600 for heated adjustable seats, smart key, and alloy wheels, then options other than plug-in feature add up to $3,897
    However, when bundled individual features are typically discounted. So, for this analysis let's arbitrarily take away $897. So, estimated cost for bundled features other than plug-in capability is $3000.

    $8,480 (total cost difference from 2012 base model)
    -$3000 (estimated cost of bundled add-on features other than plug-in capability)
    $5,480 (estimated cost of plug-in capability)
    -$2,500 (estimated tax credit for plug-in capability)
    $2,980 - effective cost of plug-in capability after tax credit

    These plug-in cost numbers are in line with current after market Prius plug-in options.

    To my understanding there is a lot of profit in add-on features. Toyota (internally) could be applying this profit (guestimated $1,000 of the $3,000 cost of bundled features?) towards internal risk mitigation fund to cover potential repair costs in case the new battery technology does not achieve the predicted life span. Also, by raising the overall Prius plug-in price Toyota will reduce total demand during the ramp-up period of initial lithium-ion battery production, while again mitigating risk by deploying a limited number of the new batteries. Bottom line: after initial ramp up of lithium-ion battery production and greater confidence develops in battery performance/longevity Toyota will be in a position to provide this plug-in technology at a price premium of only $3,000 (after tax credit) on any existing hybrid model (with about 15 hybrid models within the next year or so). This strategy is dramatically different from other manufacturers and is likely intended to extend current hybrid domination into plug-in market domination (in terms of numbers sold).

    Toyota has indicated future plug-in batteries will be modular with pure electric range dependent upon how many battery modules are purchased. If the above analysis is correct, then to me they have great potential for a winning strategy that will be producing an increasing set of options for plug-in purchases over the next few years (presuming the battery technology continues to prove itself).
     
    1 person likes this.
  10. Eric Nothman

    Eric Nothman Prius owner

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    101
    19
    0
    Location:
    Washington DC area
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    XLE
  11. dhanson865

    dhanson865 Expert and Devil's advocate

    Joined:
    May 24, 2011
    851
    188
    0
    Location:
    TN, USA
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    TrueDelta Car Reliability and Gas Mileage Information has a calculator that allows price comparisons across years, models, etc and figures out the feature differences.

    They offer letting you specify the features or using preset algorithms like

    * Base prices (no additional optional features; skips last step)
    * Minimize shared features (selects all standard on either; skips last step)
    * Maximize shared features (selects all available on both; skips last step)

    I'm assuming you want maximized shared features to isolate the plug in cost.

    Unfortunately they only have the plugin and V 2012 in there not the regular Prius 2012. But for what it's worth I did the 2011 regular prius vs the 2012 plug in to get:

    2011 Prius $26,237
    2012 Plug In Prius $31,469

    Difference $5,232
    Feature differences favor the 2012 by $1850 making the feature adjusted comparison

    2011 Prius $26,237
    2012 Plug In Prius $29,619

    TrueDelta Price Difference $3,382

    It will be interesting to see the same from TrueDelta when they get the 2012 non plug in entered into their database.

    FWIW the features in the 2012 plug in not in the 2011 or vice versa that TrueDelta listed are

    Remote air conditioning ($25)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Compact spare tire ($75)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Rearview monitor ($200)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Climate Control and Infotainment App support ($100)[​IMG][​IMG]
    HD radio ($150)[​IMG][​IMG]
    iPod integration ($150)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Navigation system ($750)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Text-to-speech reader ($50)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Traffic + travel information system ($100)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Voice control for infotainment system ($100)[​IMG][​IMG]
    Seats and Interior Trim Heated first row ($300)[​IMG][​IMG]
     
  12. spwolf

    spwolf Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    3,156
    440
    0
    Location:
    Eastern Europe
    huh? those prices for features are stupid... you cant get those features at those prices anywhere.
     
    1 person likes this.
  13. lensovet

    lensovet former BP Brigade 207

    Joined:
    May 23, 2009
    2,614
    496
    0
    Location:
    Burlington, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    christ, we already had a very simple calculation of Prius Three+Nav being just over $3k cheaper after the Federal tax rebate, and now we're trotting out all these complex calculations.
    Really?
     
  14. drash

    drash Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2005
    2,477
    1,252
    0
    Location:
    Upstate NY
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Really? I thought the Plug-In Prius was equipped closer to the Prius Four with Nav.
    Column 1 Column 2
    0 Plug-In Prius Prius Four
    1 Navigation Navigation
    2 XMSirius XMSirius
    3 Rear Camera Rear Camera
    4 Heated Seats Heated Seats
    5 Smart Key 3 Door Smart Key 3 Door
    6 Differences Differences
    7 Remote A/C Leather
    8 LED DRL Safety Connect
    9 No Spare Compact Spare
    10 Entune Homelink


    Seems like its a wash for specifics.
     
  15. Insight-I Owner

    Insight-I Owner 2006 Insight-I MT + 2011 Prius

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    505
    100
    0
    Location:
    Essex, CT
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Huh?? My 2011 Two came with alloy wheels, stock.
     
    1 person likes this.
  16. Eric Nothman

    Eric Nothman Prius owner

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2004
    101
    19
    0
    Location:
    Washington DC area
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    XLE
    Thanks for that correction. So, perhaps adjust the ballpark pricing there for just the plug-in components to just above $3,000 after the federal tax credit.

    Another cost comparison analysis can be found on this Priuschat thread:

    Thoughts on a $32k base price?
    Entry #54 by "stuffonarock"
    Dated 9/21/2011

    That comparison arrived at a price of $3,050 for the plug-in components after the $2,500 federal tax credit. So, several analysis accomplished by different methods arrived at about this same number as the effective retail cost for the plug-in components within the 2012 Prius plug-in.