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Pros and cons of Dielectric grease for hv pack vehicles living in wet areas

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    Just a chinwag thread about pros and cons of greasing hv packs for vehicles in wet areas and coastal towns .. I know addressing the water in cabin is #1 but would it hurt to grease the pack? I have seen more than my share of nasty corroded gen2 packs and the problem is only getting worse as the cars age, I'm nearly at a stage where I don't even want to touch cars that have come from coastal areas..

    Last time I asked this question (about 5 years ago) most agreed it's best to just leave the pack clean and dry but most that commented back then lived in hot dry areas and corrosion was just not an issue for them, for me nearly every gen2 pack I look at these days is green and nasty I'm thinking it's maybe time to start using electric grease on bus bars and voltage sensing connectors as prevention if it's not going to actually hurt anything.

    Please chime in with pros and cons :)

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    I've found it's easier and quicker to just replace that harness(wire frame #2) with a new one. About $50 from Toyota and it eliminates all the problems associated with the corrosion, tab cracks and plug issues. The copper busbars from the other side of the battery just get dipped in muriatic acid and presto, they're clean as a whistle.

    I haven't really found any spray-on/rub on chemicals that I'm happy with for using on a Gen2 battery.
     
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    hi TMR thanks for chiming in

    I have a couple spare harness and hv ecu in my hoards that's not a problem mate, its just keeping them nice once they are in service that's on my mind :)

    the problem with grease and chemicals is they are a but messy which makes it a bit annoying the next time you have to go back inside the pack! im starting to think it might be better to clean a little mess than deal with complete loss of ecu and harness
     
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    But, I should add, the batteries I've pulled apart that had nickel plated busbars have been significantly more free of corrosion than the standard copper bars. I doubt they have the same years of service, but they are pretty clean overall. From what I've seen, it helps keep the sensing tabs cleaner also. Again, I don't use them myself, because I always just install new harnesses to make sure I have no issues with a 3 year warranty.

    Are you seeing massive corrosion in just a couple years?
     
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    Redline Gear Lube.
     
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    This might be nuts: plastic-dip?
     
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    Thanks for replies all ..

    Only seeing massive corrosion on the ecu connector after a couple years If the car is getting wet inside the cabin, or lives near the coast, bus bars are near always nasty on prius specially if the modules are getting past about 12 years old, I very rarely if ever see a clean pack come out of a gen2 prius around here.

    Also if a pack has been previously rebuilt and the copper bus bars cleaned up the corrosion loves to get all over the fresh raw copper nearly instantly, like in a couple months! the only way to fix that would be nickel or electro plating I guess

    50 series camry packs seem to have way less of a problem with corrosion they are mostly spotless

    40 series camry packs can be clean too but test results on the modules are nearly always very disappointing

    Redline gear oil hey, cheers i will check it out..

    Mendel the plastic dip idea sounds good and would be pretty and perhaps combat the issue but potentially cause resistance as it's more than likely non conducting and would act as an insulator




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    Yes I'm thinking it would be applied surgically, say with a small paint brush, after assembly and torque of nuts. Just to seal the outside. Not sure if Plasti-Dip is available for you? It goes on like paint, cures to a plastic skin, and can be peeled off.

    Again, may be nuts...
     
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    Not gear oil gear grease Redline CV-2.
     
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    Its really great for gun lube been using it on my guns for years and I see alot of youtube old timers are coming around to red moly in the guns too.
    Google it for reviews. Its good stuff I see some are complaining about its smell its not bad at all not as bad as gear lube.
     
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    Cheers I still haven't decided if it's worth the mess, or if it will even work to combat this issue..

    Leaning towards leaving the battery clean and dry and start using nickel plated bars, maybe just a little spray of water dispersant on the hv ecu connector for an experiment (once I confirm it's definitely not conductive)

    Its time consuming but really helps to thoroughly clean all rear interior and the floor pan of debris.. of course seal hatch at roof if it leaks then when it all goes back together throw a couple of those moisture trap things with the beads in them that you can buy at $2 stores near the battery at the ecu end, and replace as necessary

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    I know the Redline is non conductive as its in all 3 ECU connectors in my car..
     
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    Cheers ed, if I decide to use grease I will check out the redline

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    Dielectric grease is not conductive either.
    It is NOT intended for use on the conducting surfaces......but to be applied OUTSIDE the actual connection to keep out contaminants.
    Same for Redline and most other greases.

    Note from a motorcycle forum:
    If you put dielectric grease on the threads of spark plugs instead of "anti-seize" compound, that can cause some really strange problems.
    Like feeling the spark in the handle bars. :eek: